Mocks aren't stubs, Fowler.
http://martinfowler.com/articles/mocksArentStubs.html



On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Everett Muniz <[email protected]> wrote:
> @greg, thanks for the feedback, it's much appreciated.
> i may be mixing up terminology or I may just be all wet.  when I say I
> started at the behaviors, I mean that I started with things the software
> will do that spans multiple domain objects.  in my case one of those
> application behaviors is generating an image from an object graph that
> contains shape objects.  each discreet shape does indeed contain behavior
> that's relevant to it and/or the aggregate it's a part of.
> as far as fakes, i'm not clear on what's meant, can anybody offer a
> succinct, concrete example of a fake.  Nilsson's book describes stubs, fakes
> and mocks on page 164 but his example is using repositories with interfaces
> and I'm interested in what a fake would look like in the case of an entity /
> value object. for instance, if you're testing some service method that
> accepts an instance of Document entity how would a fake be created?
> thanks again.
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Greg Young <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Could you unpack that a bit further?  Are you suggesting that
>> > applicability
>> > of interfaces is primarily around behavior rather than as a means to
>> > describe the entities and value-types?  I started the project working on
>> > the
>> > behavioral aspects and it was convenient for testing to rough in the
>> > domain
>> > objects being acted on by those behaviors as interfaces.  So, I suspect
>> > that
>> > may fall into the category of anti-pattern if I'm understanding you
>> > right.
>>
>> shouldn't the behaviors be in the domain objects themselves?
>>
>> Beyond that there is almost nothing to gain by putting the interfaces
>> around them. It may seem easier when writing tests but when dealing
>> with those kinds of tests you are probably better off dfealing with
>> the real objects anyways (fakes).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Everett Muniz <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > Could you unpack that a bit further?  Are you suggesting that
>> > applicability
>> > of interfaces is primarily around behavior rather than as a means to
>> > describe the entities and value-types?  I started the project working on
>> > the
>> > behavioral aspects and it was convenient for testing to rough in the
>> > domain
>> > objects being acted on by those behaviors as interfaces.  So, I suspect
>> > that
>> > may fall into the category of anti-pattern if I'm understanding you
>> > right.
>> > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Greg Young <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Are you interfaces like ICustomer IOrder etc or are they behavioral /
>> >> use case based?
>> >>
>> >> the former is most likely an anti-pattern.
>> >>
>> >> Greg
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM, everettmuniz <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > For those of you using NHibernate in DDD projects do you structure
>> >> > your factory and repository methods to return/accept interfaces or
>> >> > their implementations?   I've written the domain model and service
>> >> > layer in my current project to rely heavily on interfaces rather than
>> >> > implementations but given that NHibernate maps to classes and not
>> >> > interfaces it seems like it may make more sense to structure the
>> >> > factories / repositories to at least work with classes rather than
>> >> > the
>> >> > interfaces they're based on.
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
>> >> without accepting it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
>> without accepting it.
>>
>>
>
>
> >
>



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without accepting it.

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