Only remember that ORM is a technique and not a framework.
When you have a clear idea about what mean ORM you can call NH "an ORM" for
abbreviation only.

2009/12/17 Jeffry Morris <[email protected]>

> True Diego, I am still thinking in SQL ;) I guess I want the benefits of
> both...
>
> Anyways, you pretty much confirmed my thinking on this: if you opt for the
> ORM route, then you have to invest 100% into it to get the full effects.
> ORM's are like a lifeboat that starts out deflated and only has value when
> inflated with air (data, mappings, etc.).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Diego Mijelshon 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> You are still thinking in SQL.
>>
>> Of course you can map ParentId as an int property and retrieve Parents by
>> id on demand, but there's no point on doing that. You lose capabilities and
>> you don't gain performance; you lose it because you can't join on demand
>> (because the relationship has not been established).
>>
>>    Diego
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 17:25, Jeffry Morris <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I know that n+1 can be avoided, what I am asking is if mapping a
>>> table to entity 1:1 and implicitly ignoring any foreign key relationships
>>> would be considered a bad practice. I am guessing it would affect 2nd level
>>> caching, but I am not sure exactly.
>>>
>>> If you were using say, linq to nhibernate, would you need this mapping
>>> since you provide any joins explicitly? For example:
>>>
>>> var x = from o in Order
>>>            join i in OrderItems on o.OrderId equals i.OrderIId
>>>            select i;
>>>
>>> So, in this case what is the purpose of having a "Has A" type
>>> relationship between Order and List<OrderItem> unless it is a ORM specific
>>> requirement? All I want todo is map table to entity and let the db handle
>>> foriegn key relationship via constraints. To me, the entity is just the
>>> data.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Diego Mijelshon <[email protected]
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> You will not have n+1 problems because of the relationships as long as
>>>> you use them correctly.
>>>> For the particular case that you mentioned, if you have a ParentId, you
>>>> don't even need to load the parent to get the children.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Diego
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:06, jmorris <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Any advice on mapping tables directly to entities and using them as
>>>>> pure DTOs? Basically you ignore the foreign key reference as a child
>>>>> of the parent entity and explicitly load the children as needed:
>>>>> select * from children where children.parentid= xxx?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know this goes somewhat against the ORM grain, but when most of your
>>>>> usage is simply displaying list data, then this is a very per-formant
>>>>> way of getting what you need an avoiding any n+1 issues with ORMs. In
>>>>> this case your entities are just data, they are not even objects (data
>>>>> and behavior).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
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