If NHibernate does not have a designer, what is this http://www.slyce.com/ ?

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Mohamed Meligy <[email protected]>wrote:

> NHibernate is fine for dealing with this number of tables. Typically the
> number of tables affects only two things:
>
> - Design time support, if your ORM has a designer that shows all tables
> Of course this is not the case with NHibernate. No designer! So, you should
> not have the issue at all.
> (BTW: This is a known major issue with other options like Entity Framework,
> going near q00 tables makes designer performance go down, also, this is not
> a problem in some professional 3rd party designer-like tools like LLBLGen,
> and not an issue of course in LLBLGen ORM itself)
>
> - Startup time: Reading the tables metadata in run-time when the
> application starts
> This will be your main issue I guess. It'll take quite sometime for the
> application to start. (This is the step of creating configuration and
> session factory I'm talking about, typically written in application start).
> You can make it less harmful by caching the configuration (mapping, etc)
> and loading from a cache file. There was another thread in the list talking
> about that. This will save you a lot eveyr time you load from the cache, yet
> when the configuration changes and the configuration needs to be built not
> got from cache, it'll still take sometime.
> (Yes, this is an issue also for Entity Framework, and not an issue for
> LLBLGen ORM as it doesn't load this in runtime but generates it)
>
> During application tasks like read and save etc, number of tables should
> not count I think.
>
>
> Regarding LINQ provider. It's fine I guess. I'm one of those using it in
> production. Not everything is supported, but not worse than Entity Framework
> LINQ provider itself I guess. You'll not find a 100% LINQ hero even from
> Microsoft itself if you ask me.
>
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> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Diego Mijelshon 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> What is your question 1? What are your concerns? (I see no question marks
>> there...)
>>
>> And 2... yes, the LINQ provider is working well, which doesn't mean it's
>> perfect.
>> I'm not a NH committer, but I'd recommend it without hesitation.
>>
>>     Diego
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 18:00, Max André Bündchen 
>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> That's my first post at nhusers! I found many older post about some of
>>> my subjects but I can't get a conclusion by myself. The questions is
>>> general, not detailed, but I hope I can get some tips from the
>>> experienced users about a direction.
>>>
>>> My team is migrating a large project to .Net (large means we have
>>> about 400 tables in the database splited in 12 integrated modules) and
>>> we would like to use NHibernate + Linq (that's the reason to use the
>>> trunk version) to manage data access instead of direct access and T-
>>> SQL (the current not-.Net version works with T-SQL).
>>>
>>> My questions are about:
>>>
>>> 1. Performance in cases with huge meta-data/tables (I know, it depends
>>> a lot of other things).
>>> 2. There's many post in the group talking about the successful use of
>>> the new Linq provider in production environments, but is it
>>> recommended by the developers? The 2k+ unit tests used to verify the
>>> trunk say yes. :)
>>>
>>> Sorry for some mistakes, but English is my third language. :(
>>>
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