Thanks all for great discussion.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:44 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> "I never understood why ppl need to wrap NH session or NH whatever"
>
> I would even say : Why a UoW when you can open a session ?
>
> Here is my DAO :
> /// <summary>
>    /// Facade to provide a clean interface
>    /// </summary>
>    public interface IRepositoryFactory
>    {
>        IDbConnection ObtainsRawSql();
>        IStateLessRepository ObtainsStateLess();
>        IStateFullRepository ObtainsStateFull();
>    }
>
>
>    /// <summary>
>    /// Standardised interface of repository, implementing IDisposable
>    /// </summary>
>    public interface IBaseRepository:IDisposable
>    {
>        void Save(object entity);
>        void Update(object entity);
>        void Delete(object entity);
>        T Get<T>(object key);
>        IList<T> AllEntities<T>();
>    }
>
>    /// <summary>
>    /// Implements a statefull version
>    /// </summary>
>    public interface IStateFullRepository : IBaseRepository
>    {
>        void AcknowledgeChanges();
>        IQueryable<T> Linq<T>();
>        void Reset();
>    }
>
>    /// <summary>
>    /// Implements a stateless version
>    /// </summary>
>    public interface IStateLessRepository : IBaseRepository
>    {
>
>    }
>
> Simple and working just fine.
> Using AOP to create transaction if required, and a couple of rules at the
> dev
> rule level for effective mapping strategy.
>
> Fred.
>
>
> Selon Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>:
>
> > I never understood why ppl need to wrap NH session or NH whatever.
> > My app can know only my repository interfaces and that is all.
> > The management of Session/ObjectContext is *not* a matter of the app.
> > itself.
> > The management of Session/ObjectContext should be implemented through AOP
> > (actionfilter, webmodule, wcfbehavior, dynamicproxy, staticproxy); as you
> > can inject a different implementation of Repository you can inject a
> > different impl. of the aspect.
> >
> > With good ORMs you will end having: one repository impl. for
> > single-entity-CRUD, many EQOs, and AOP for persistence-context.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Vadim Chekan <[email protected]
> >wrote:
> >
> > > On Jul 12, 5:30 am, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > If an ORM can't work with my POCOs it is not a choice for my needs.
> > > > For some reason EF4 was improved... well at least they are trying to
> give
> > > > support to POCO  ;)
> > >
> > > EF improvements is one of the problems actually :)
> > >
> > > Fundamental problem is that you will build not "super" ORM but "sub"
> > > orm :)
> > > You can include only features which present in all ORM. And the more
> > > ORM you plan to use, the smaller set of features you can have. For
> > > example, you can work only with POCO objects as common denominator. It
> > > limits your choice of ORM and architectural patterns right off the
> > > bat, and it is just a beginning. As Fred noted, differences in
> > > transactions, sessions and other "small details" will effectively
> > > leave you without those features.
> > >
> > > When new EF (or NH) comes out, you have review your wrapper to include
> > > new features. If you don't, you'll have difficult times explaining to
> > > your programmers why you force them to use old crap which tax their
> > > code quality and development time.
> > > So "abstract" framework becomes a moving target (antipattern).
> > >
> > > If after your wrapper is done, you decided to add say Subsonic, which
> > > is a simpler ORM, you won't be able to do it, because chances are
> > > subsonic will lack some features which already are part of the wrapper
> > > contract.
> > >
> > > You can build a wrapper for particular use case though. The project
> > > requirements must be well known ahead and requirements for persistence
> > > system must be relatively simple because you won't have any freedom in
> > > optimization your code for particular ORM.
> > > But in as generic sense as in initial question this solution never
> > > will be complete and will cause 10x more problems then it solves.
> > >
> > > Vadim.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:12 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > And what are the benefits ?
> > > >
> > > > > You say NHIbernate is just an option and that is not true. There
> are
> > > design
> > > > > choices and NHibernate is very different from EF by design.
> Choosing to
> > > use
> > > > > an
> > > > > ORM and a tool like NHibernate is not a choice that should be taken
> > > lightly
> > > > > !
> > > > > And even then, each solutions is providing it  own implementation
> of
> > > the
> > > > > subject. Ok it looks easy with NHibernate, since you are using
> Poco.
> > > But
> > > > > not all
> > > > > ORM.  It is not because you have an interface defining what object
> and
> > > what
> > > > > query you can access and a Poco library containing your entities
> that
> > > all
> > > > > ORM
> > > > > framework can be used. They all handle differently track changing,
> > > session
> > > > > mgmt,
> > > > > mapping attributes, inheritance...So will you spend 2 months trying
> to
> > > > > build the
> > > > > "superORM Abstraction Toolkit" (And even you can't guarantee that
> it
> > > will
> > > > > work
> > > > > with a predictible amount of work), or will you focus on
> testability
> > > and
> > > > > simplicity ?
> > > >
> > > > > That's exactly JPA. So here are the specifications.
> > > >
> > > > > I understand what you say, but I'm not using a DAO impl for
> changing
> > > the
> > > > > components, I'm using it for testability.
> > > >
> > > > > What you describe is different. You know the product you are using.
> You
> > > > > face new
> > > > > issues or requirements, you handle them. Ok. But that's something
> you
> > > must
> > > > > think
> > > > > of before coding. That's not because you are using an ORM that you
> > > won't
> > > > > need a
> > > > > plain old sql connection to get closer to the metal.
> > > >
> > > > > Fred.
> > > >
> > > > > Selon Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>:
> > > >
> > > > > > Can you provide an example about "messy codebase" ?
> > > > > > I'm using Repository/DAOs and EQO.
> > > > > > CpBT was born using ADO.NET and then, only changing DAOs
> > > > > implementations,
> > > > > > using NHibernate.
> > > > > > In a winAzure app. we have a usecase that was born with a
> > > service-class
> > > > > > using various EQO to return a pretty complex ViewModel, then I
> have
> > > > > injected
> > > > > > another impl. using BlobStorage.
> > > >
> > > > > > NHibernate is only an option, NHibernate.Validator, Windsor and
> so on
> > > are
> > > > > > "only" options.
> > > >
> > > > > > In prjs, where I'm working, only the implementation of
> DAO/Repository
> > > +
> > > > > EQO
> > > > > > knows about NHibernate.
> > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:52 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > If you choose a product (g.e NHibernate) and put a new level of
> > > > > abstraction
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > it, the only result will be a messy codebase and (pardon me) a
> true
> > > > > waste
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > > > > If you think one day you will have to change your Data Layer
> then :
> > > > > > > - You didn't pick the right choice
> > > > > > > - Your selection process is not sufficient
> > > > > > > - You will lose time doing technical staff that give very
> little
> > > added
> > > > > > > value to
> > > > > > > your developpement.
> > > > > > > - You will face performance issues (the house that jack built
> > > syndrom)
> > > >
> > > > > > > There is no such thinh as the ultimate reusable component
> because
> > > it is
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > design a bad idea.
> > > >
> > > > > > > In the Java world, it is called JDO,JPA and EJB. Just take a
> tour,
> > > take
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > look,
> > > > > > > try to make your path through the 23 different frameworks
> required
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > maount of work required to simply do some very basic CRUD stuff
> and
> > > you
> > > > > > > will get
> > > > > > > a flavor of the subject.
> > > >
> > > > > > > Putting a "level of abstraction" is never a good thing when
> > > building
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > basements. It is just increasing the complexity while putting
> some
> > > real
> > > > > > > risk.
> > > >
> > > > > > > If you can't explain why and how you choose your persistence
> layer,
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > where your real risk is. And it won't go away by saying "I can
> > > change
> > > > > if I
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > to".
> > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry,
> > > >
> > > > > > > Fred.
> > > >
> > > > > > > Selon deepucodemaker <[email protected]>:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello All,
> > > >
> > > > > > > > I would like to design a system/application using NHibernate.
> But
> > > I
> > > > > > > > also want to so flexible that in future if I unplug the
> > > NHibernate
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > use ADO.NET Entity framework or other framework application
> > > should
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > crash.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Can someone please send me links/videos so that i can design
> > > > > > > > independent architecture for this purpose.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > I tried lot in google and understood NHibernate but there is
> no
> > > > > > > > example which helps me to deisgn ultimate reusable component.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Please do the needful
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > >
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