> I don't know why you take this personally (I don't).
>
> This is a technical forum, where we (should) present technical arguments
to
> improve our designs and usage of tools.
> When I read something that I don't agree with (based on my knowledge and
> experience), I usually jump in to correct it. That's how a forum works.
something to think about: when MS shipped linq to sql, they had over
a million (!) unit tests for it. Still there were bugs in it. I.o.w.: if you
think that a couple of thousand tests will save your *** because if you make
a mistake they'll notify you, you're naïve ;)
FB
>
> Diego
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 15:30, Vadim Chekan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> You are right,
>
> I noticed that NH maillist has a culture of quick blaming people of
> "bad design", "do you know what unit tests is", "who made you doing
> wrong design", etc.
>
> Too bad. This creates very acid environment. Whenever I express my
> thoughts and provide my arguments in details, somebody just jumps
out
> with 1-line accusation and it takes another mail roundrip just to
get
> an explanation what the opponent meant.
>
> Is it just me being sick of this "culture" of treating opponents as
> heretics to be burnt?
>
> Vadim.
>
>
> On Aug 13, 7:52 pm, Jeffry Morris <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Wow, there's a lot of love going on in this thread ;)
> >
>
> > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Diego Mijelshon
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> >
> > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 14:56, Vadim Chekan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >> On Aug 12, 7:28 pm, Diego Mijelshon <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >> > Seriously?
> >
> > >> > Do you know what a unit test is?
> >
> > >> Of course, it is a silver bullet which magically eliminates
> bugs. No?
> > >> I'm sure you know that no unit test gives any guarantee. It
> gives you
> > >> feeling that the app is in descent shape after changes, but
> nothing
> > >> more.
> >
> > > No. Unit tests are what you use to avoid introducing new bugs
AND
> asserting
> > > correctness (among other things)
> > > In my BIG application, I automatically generate a small
> persistence test
> > > for each entity (a modified ghostbuster).
> > > If, for example, a field name is wrong, I'll get a failing test.
> >
> > > There's absolutely NO difference between what XML and FNH can do
> about
> > > this. See my last point in this email too.
> >
> > >> > Have you ever used a real refactoring tool (like R#)?
> >
> > >> I state that xml editing is not easy. And your argument that it
> > >> requires (or is recommended) to use R# just proves my point.
> >
> > > If you are a professional developer, you'll use the best
> available tools.
> > > Of course you can install the .NET SDK and work in Notepad if
you
> want, but
> > > then don't complain about C# editing being hard.
> >
> > >> > Do you understand what Configuration.BuildSessionFactory
does?
> >
> > >> Builds session factory? :) What is your question really?
> >
> > > It compiles the configuration. Just like csc.exe compiles C#.
> > > You said "Static check is safer then dynamic error". And that's
> not the
> > > point, because the first test I write for a NH solution is the
> > > "ConfigurationIsValid", which is essentially a build-time check.
> >
> > > Diego
> >
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