Dennis,

Before changing the cam chain tensioner i inspected the timing marks
against the Honda official manual so that i could make sure to
duplicate the exact positions.


But I thiink the cam timing is not setup correctly to begin with -
but
i'm not possitive.


I set the "T" mark at the TDC index on the compression stroke (cam
lobes up on #1 cyl) but the cam sprockets are "down".  See picture
files i uploaded to the files section.  There are 3 files
name .....comression stroke... that show the various comonent timing
while at TDC.

"T" Mark at TDC:
http://16481440758028870596-a-g.googlegroups.com/web/650+CAM+TIMING+T+Mark+at+TDC.JPG?gda=hFSU6FIAAACTdSkmtVVI9OXF2ygg83pH-2Bfsuxgn9oyE9mWUwcnzwBqVWlehG97cPOCAMbdUyFbLe6sfyG_qsoPQmfGWP_BVeLt2muIgCMmECKmxvZ2j4IeqPHHCwbz-gobneSjMyE&gsc=F0q8EwsAAAD38wzirucqs8P_zxsE_Nnc

http://16481440758028870596-a-g.googlegroups.com/web/650+CAM+TIMING+Compression+Stroke+CAM+Sprocket+Position+Mark.JPG?gda=AdoyrnIAAACTdSkmtVVI9OXF2ygg83pH-2Bfsuxgn9oyE9mWUwcnzz4p38_EeQ3ASq8C1YDSfKrEI-0wyrxDMJFem9XTDq77Jq5GodiV22Lrf0Fg6w3fAnxctj-Psmv64Nn4Wag7Qe5V4u3aa4iAIyYQIqbG9naPgh6o8ccLBvP6Chud5KMzIQ&gsc=F0q8EwsAAAD38wzirucqs8P_zxsE_Nnc

http://16481440758028870596-a-g.googlegroups.com/web/650+CAM+TIMING+Compression+Stroke+CAM+Sprocket+Position+IN+Mark.JPG?gda=H_L6YXUAAACTdSkmtVVI9OXF2ygg83pH-2Bfsuxgn9oyE9mWUwcnzz4p38_EeQ3ASq8C1YDSfKrEI-0wyrxDMJFem9XTDq77Jq5GodiV22Lrf0Fg6w3fAiKfvge6whW9fK0jc2GAFWh-Kp228GWTjeb0x8aV_WGQGu1iLHeqhw4ZZRj3RjJ_-A&gsc=F0q8EwsAAAD38wzirucqs8P_zxsE_Nnc

http://16481440758028870596-a-g.googlegroups.com/web/650+CAM+TIMING+Compression+%231+Cyl+Lobes+UP.JPG?gda=yZ-4XWIAAACTdSkmtVVI9OXF2ygg83pH-2Bfsuxgn9oyE9mWUwcnzz4p38_EeQ3ASq8C1YDSfKpshvORhWiX90f1T0QPIxeVRJOy96qjJdnoqYSzMRI1p1Xi7dpriIAjJhAipsb2do-CHqjxxwsG8_oKG53kozMh&gsc=F0q8EwsAAAD38wzirucqs8P_zxsE_Nnc

Then i rotated the crank one revolution  exactly so now it is at TDC
on the exhaust stroke.  In this case the the cam sprockets are up and
the #1 cyclinder cam lobes are down.

http://16481440758028870596-a-g.googlegroups.com/web/650+CAM+TIMING+Exhaust+Stroke+CAM+Sprocket+Position.JPG?gda=eaHdIWkAAACTdSkmtVVI9OXF2ygg83pH-2Bfsuxgn9oyE9mWUwcnz4D6S9ll8ZdT99gjzGPGu4NiLzl7u0-jTC7LUbn2SDpGVe0_5cnVeRaEbz8CeVVlPkJh5MenIyGLBNESi9y05ByECKgQbmraGdxlZulaYnsh&gsc=F0q8EwsAAAD38wzirucqs8P_zxsE_Nnc

http://16481440758028870596-a-g.googlegroups.com/web/650+CAM+TIMING+Exhaust+Stroke+CAM+Sprocket+Position+IN+Mark.JPG?gda=tl3Yv3EAAACTdSkmtVVI9OXF2ygg83pH-2Bfsuxgn9oyE9mWUwcnz4D6S9ll8ZdT99gjzGPGu4NiLzl7u0-jTC7LUbn2SDpGVe0_5cnVeRaEbz8CeVVlPg_6QxLG-mTHxOut71kRTixTCT_pCLcFTwcI3Sro5jAzlXFeCn-cdYleF-vtiGpWAA&gsc=F0q8EwsAAAD38wzirucqs8P_zxsE_Nnc

http://16481440758028870596-a-g.googlegroups.com/web/650+CAM+TIMING+Exhaust+Stroke+%231+Cyl+Lobes+Down.JPG?gda=xoVCw2cAAACTdSkmtVVI9OXF2ygg83pH-2Bfsuxgn9oyE9mWUwcnz4D6S9ll8ZdT99gjzGPGu4NU5iLDCThIwO8n_xNTiz4HimFscX5cJF9zpfs33myyaYW5vdZGTPoFdJZ03CIMmih5Xh26_qkMwaGGFl2NCU0D&gsc=F0q8EwsAAAD38wzirucqs8P_zxsE_Nnc

Does it look like the cam sprockets were installed 180 degrees out of
phase with respect to the #1 cyclinder cam lobe position.  It seems
that this would also caus the valve timing to be off slitghtly.  The
bike currently runs a little rough at idle, but pulls really hard from
3000 rpm up to 7500 and then at 7500 it pulls harder.

Thanks,


Paul



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