[Nighthawk Lovers] re: "PB Blaster"

Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:01:13 -0800

Sounded like a Peanut Butter shake from Dairy Queen!  (oh no, that's a Blizzard)


Jan 27, 2010 01:59:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
It's a can of stuff that you can get at Walmart or any auto supply store. It is a penetrating spray just for loosening nuts and bolts ( or whatever). Good stuff it is.

From: "[email protected]"
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 12:41:18 PM
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] What's "PB Blaster"?




Jan 27, 2010 11:58:07 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Thanks Stanley...LOL! I didn't see where he soaked it in blaster. I wonder if he's tried to heat it up a bit to see if would loosen it? There's more than one way to skin a nut!

From: stanley/ Randolph
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 7:53:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further

Lighten up, Kim.  It appears that he has already soaked it in "blaster," which to me would be PB? 
To "wing nut:  "  listen to Dennis and disassemble it.  Something's obviously wrong in there and unlike a car with 4 wheels, you only have two and if something is wrong with the front, you are inviting catastrophe here. 
Ah, like, personal injury?
With a car, you still have three other wheels to bring the machine to a relatively safe stop, compared to a bike.
I would follow Dennis's instructions.  He knows what's up with these machines.  Really.
 
Stanley


--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Kim Paddock wrote:

From: Kim Paddock
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 7:35 AM

Hey Dennis....will you tell this wingnut that he needs to use PB blaster to get his axle nut loose? He listens to you...somewhat.

From: Dennis Hammerl
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 9:36:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further

I wouldn't reassemble it till I found out why that is. Too many parts in there to disregard. Stepped spacer one side, speedometer drive other side. Two bearings, spacer inside.. Axle nut 54' lbs. should be tight but not stuck on unless over tightened. Over tightened would damage bearings and pull fork tubes together. Missing internal spacer would allow nut to be over tightened. Incorrect drive installation would spread forks. Maybe it's fine.. The bottom line is, it's your butt. For me, I wanna' know. The tire was the giveaway that something is wrong. Don't quit untill you know and correct it. I can't work this way, my job depends on me doing it right. For me, I'd put a socket on the fixed end bolt head and clamp a breaker bar in a vise, and use the same deal on the nut end. Put a piece of pipe on the bar and....it's coming off. I can't let a customer ride a bike I "think" is OK. It better be right. 

From: Snookfever
To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!
Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 8:42:32 PM
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further

Dennis:

I cant get the axel nut loose and I am afraid I am going to break a
nuckle or worse something on the bike.  The wheel appears to spin
true.I think the axel is fine.  I would like to proceed with
reassembly.  Please advise.  Please note I have replaced the brake
pads already.

Glen


On Jan 26, 12:41 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
> Send pix as attachments. The wear you describe is not right. Pads should wear evenly. Wheel is cocked to do this. Your measurements showed this too. That would cause the contact patch to be off-center.. A careful re-assembly is going to take care of this. Still have to inspect the axle and get that right first. Gee, this bike will be totally different when you get done. Handle and brake better.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 12:29:33 AM
> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>
> Dennis;
>
> I do not know how to post a picture to an existing string.  The pads
> are worn as if on a skew. One pads is thinner at the top then it is at
> the bottom and the other pad is the opposite thicker on  the top then
> on the bottom. Wheel spin was relative to axel in hand.  When in the
> forks without brakes wheel spins smooth and easy. I took a picture of
> the pads and will try to e-mail to you directly..Still can get nut off
> soking it in blaster.
>
> Glen
>
> On Jan 25, 11:22 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Wear is uneven ? Send pix. Wheel requires some effort to turn ? Something very wrong here. Get the axle apart and see. Resolve this before we go any further. This sounds like an assembly problem. Incorrect order of assembly or parts missing. The speedo drive cannot drag the wheel down but a missing bearing spacer would. Let's see the pads and what they tell us. The wear pattern is a giveaway.
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 9:27:36 PM
> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>
> > Dennis:
>
> > I have rexamined everything very closley and here is what I found:
>
> > Found a very small amount of play in the neck, tightened 1/8 turn.
>
> > Brake pads are mettalic and wear is uneven and down to 1/8 inch or
> > less (I have new organic pads).
>
> > I still cant get axle nut loose. Fok oil leaked out of the anti-dive
> > adjust. Leak is now fixed will try to get axle nut off again later.
> > Spinning wheel in the forks it looked true and has no play. Axle spins
> > but not without effort, I am  assuming speedo is slowing it down.
>
> > I examined the fork tubes carefully with a strait edge and I cant find
> > any defects.
>
> > What course of action do you recommend next?
>
> > Glen
>
> > On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Is there any movement of the relationship between the upper and lower fork bridges while twisting ? Did you get the axle out ?
> > > While twisting the tubes, is there any movement of the very bottom of the fork ? Your measurements show that there is something flexed somewhere. The first things to flex are fork tubes. That's why this is so important. If you can't find any deviation in any component, then let's try reassembly in a very special sequence.
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 10:54:40 PM
> > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>
> > > Dennis:
>
> > > Twisting forks in the clamps I do not notice any binding or tight
> > > spots?  Now what?
>
> > > Glen
>
> > > On Jan 20, 10:51 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Other than disabling the anti-dive, it shouldn't make a difference. There's something wrong with your bike and it may be cured by careful re-assembly. But, don't hurry to get there.
>
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 10:28:58 PM
> > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>
> > > > Dennis:
>
> > > > Not sure if this could  make a difference, but when I replace my fork
> > > > seals last year I disasembled the forks to clean out all the old oil
> > > > and I misplaced the ball berring and spring that act as the holder for
> > > > the anti dive adjustment nob. I assembled with out it and used an o
> > > > ring to hold the nob in place.  I recently found the ball bering and
> > > > spring and replaced them tonight.
>
> > > > Glen
>
> > > > On Jan 20, 10:15 pm, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Dennis:
>
> > > > > Calipers working fine, pins still have grease and slide smooth
> > > > > (calipers cleaned and pins greased when I did the fork seals last
> > > > > year)
> > > > > Brake pads at 50% look fine no unusual wear
> > > > > No problems with fork brace or fender
> > > > > Wheel mounted correctly
> > > > > Forks slide in an out smoothly
> > > > > Cant get axle nut loose to remove axle from wheel.  Is it standard
> > > > > thread left loosy?
> > > > > Axle has no play
> > > > > Checked wheel base and it measure 59.5 inches (axle center to axle
> > > > > center).
>
> > > > > What next?
>
> > > > > On Jan 19, 10:45 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Very good. That was an incidental because it was a good time to perform the check. Better to find a problem now and not later. Twisting the fork tubes and such are more to the point. While you have a small deviation from correct, it makes it harder to find the exact flaw. I do expect the fork tubes to be somewhat flexed. Another thought that passed through is a misplaced spacer on the front axle. The purpose of all this is to return it to a near perfect alignment in two planes. Yours is off in both. That's what is leading me to flexed fork tubes. When this is reassembled, there will be a sequence of operations to insure alignment. I've found over the years that a good many people will replace a tire and neglect the fine points of assembly. Go slow and be methodical.
>
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:25:40 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>
> > > > > > Dennis:
>
> > > > > > Smooth as glass left to right and no movement up and down. Will check
> > > > > > the brake calipers and front axle towmorrow.
>
> > > > > > Glen
>
> > > > > > On Jan 17, 4:52 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > This should keep you busy for a while. Get back to me.
>
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 1:28:23 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment
>
> > > > > > > Dennis:
>
> > > > > > > Test results are as you predicted. The front wheel is not square and
> > > > > > > it is not centered when compared to the rear. Off aligment by about
> > > > > > > +/- 3/8 inch and out of square by +/- 1/8 inch.  Tires were 10 lbs low
> > > > > > > on air. No signs of front end damage or repair.  Please note I
> > > > > > > replaced the fork seals when I first got it and completely
> > > > > > > dissasembled both forks .  The shop manual doesnot specify a the fork
> > > > > > > placement (height) in the clamps.  The are currently  3/8 inch  (fork
> > > > > > > tube not including cap) above the top clamp same for both sides.
>
> > > > > > > What next?
>
> > > > > > > Glen
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 15, 11:52 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:> Start here Glen.
>
> > > > > > > >  alignment.doc
> > > > > > > > 29KViewDownload
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