they probably actualy put abut half a tank of diesel in... just residual wouldent do all that much... and come on, they were on harleys, they ran like crap before, and never got better
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Joey Kelley <[email protected]> wrote: > I brought that up based on a letter to the editor in an old biker mag > - couple guys on Harleys got about a quart of diesel in their gas from > a single hose / multiple grade pump that also had diesel. Eventually > it ran through, but only after the bike ran like crap for several > hours. They began to stop at every gas station until it was so > dilluted it didn't matter anymore. > -Joey > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Allen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh yea, if you filled up with diesel you would be blowing black smoke > > from the exhaust, that is if you could get it to run at all. > > > > On Aug 26, 11:44 am, Javier Garcia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Last time I filled out the tank before this issue was Monday morning, at > the > >> usual Shell station. It is a single hose, so the chance of getting a > >> different grade is non-zero. I cannot remember if the diesel is in the > same > >> pump, but I'll expect a much bigger mess if I would filled up with > diesel. > >> Could it be just that I used a low octane gasoline, instead of the usual > >> one? Yesterday after getting home I went to fill the tank again, just in > >> case it was a leaking gas problem. I am sure I did use premium yesterday > >> since I saved the receipt. > >> > >> Javier. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Joey Kelley <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > Javier, > >> > Any chance you filled up at a pump that has a single hose and > >> > got either low grade fuel or Diesel or some other form of contaminant > >> > in the tank? > >> > -Joey > >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Javier Garcia <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > Kurt, > >> > >> > > yes, I guess it does makes sense. In any case I think I need to > gather > >> > more > >> > > information to make a consistent statistics of the behavior. All > that I > >> > can > >> > > say so far is that it actually feels to be the other way around. > When I > >> > > started having the issue yesterday, every subsequent start would be > more > >> > > difficult than the previous one. After letting it seat the whole > night, > >> > this > >> > > morning feels like the excess of gas is gone. Again, I am just > bouncing > >> > > ideas between my gigantic ignorance about engines and the lack of > >> > > information about the symptom itself. > >> > >> > > Javier. > >> > >> > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Kurt Nolte < > [email protected]> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Javier, > >> > >> > >> It could still work with the "leaking petcock diaphragm" theory. > When > >> > >> you let the bike sit for a while, a slow leak has a chance to put > out > >> > >> enough gas to cause a starting problem. Once that gas is dealt with > by > >> > >> your initial difficult start, subsequent starts without a long wait > >> > >> will be "problemless" because the leak hasn't had a chance to move > >> > >> enough gas. > >> > >> > >> If you don't have the problem again when you go home from work > >> > >> (several hours from now, unless I'm mistaken), then you indeed have > a > >> > >> somewhat confusing issue. > >> > >> > >> It's possible that suddenly having to use the petcock more often > could > >> > >> have caused a small tear in your diaphragm... thus the sudden onset > of > >> > >> the problem without much warning. > >> > >> > >> That help at all? > >> > >> > >> -Kurt > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Javier Garcia < > [email protected]> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi guys, > >> > >> > thanks a lot for such educational answers. Now I am a bit more > >> > confused > >> > >> > than > >> > >> > yesterday. This morning I checked again for leaking. Nothing. > Engine, > >> > >> > parts, > >> > >> > and garage floor all very clean. I went to start the same way I > always > >> > >> > do, > >> > >> > no choke (at least not this time of the year), and no gas. It > tried to > >> > >> > fire > >> > >> > up a couple of times, but not quite there yet. I had to give it a > bit > >> > of > >> > >> > gas > >> > >> > and then went on. Just a bit rough at the beginning, but mostly > from > >> > >> > being > >> > >> > cold. Putted my gear on and the bike is idleling perfect as > usual. > >> > Took > >> > >> > it > >> > >> > outside and I turned off because I forgot something inside the > house. > >> > >> > Came > >> > >> > back, hit the start, and fire up without giving any gas. Lucky I > >> > guess. > >> > >> > Came > >> > >> > to work, and I did not experience any of the symptoms from > yesterday. > >> > >> > Pulled > >> > >> > over in the parking lot. Turned off. Hit start and it fired up > >> > >> > immediately > >> > >> > as usual. Tried 4 or 5 times consecutively. The same. The problem > is > >> > >> > gone. > >> > >> > >> > Now, according to the general consensus, the diaphram in the > petcook > >> > >> > could > >> > >> > be responsable for this issue. How does this scenario fits now? I > >> > >> > actually > >> > >> > was thinking what I have done differently recently, and one thing > is > >> > >> > that > >> > >> > since my speedometer cable broke, I cannot calculate the gas > level, > >> > and > >> > >> > thus > >> > >> > now I wait until I am empty and I have to change to reserve to go > to > >> > the > >> > >> > station and fill up the tank. The difference now is that I am > using > >> > the > >> > >> > petcook more often, swiching between tank and reserve. Before, I > >> > pretty > >> > >> > much > >> > >> > never touched it. > >> > >> > >> > Could it be also that going to reserve I just picked up some dirt > >> > >> > deposited > >> > >> > at the bottom of the tank, and then when to the carbs. I guess I > could > >> > >> > try > >> > >> > Seafoam as well, just as a sanity check. > >> > >> > I will let you know how it behaves when I get off work. > >> > >> > >> > Thanks again for your opinions. > >> > >> > Javier. > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Kurt Nolte < > [email protected] > >> > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> >> After that, start wondering about float valve seats. Well, if it > >> > still > >> > >> >> gives you problems after you've made sure that the carburetors > >> > weren't > >> > >> >> at some point adjusted for a slight fuel leak into the intake, > that > >> > >> >> is. > >> > >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:39 AM, [email protected] > >> > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >> > I agree with replacing the petcock diaphram, i would even go > as far > >> > >> >> > to > >> > >> >> > not check it, just replace it.... After that look at your vac > >> > lines, > >> > >> >> > then i > >> > >> >> > dont know after that.... > >> > >> > >> >> > Good luck > >> > >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> >> > Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:40:24 am > >> > >> >> > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" > >> > >> >> > <[email protected]> > >> > >> >> > From: "jaybird248" <[email protected]> > >> > >> >> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Fuel related problem > >> > >> > >> >> > Javier, the reason you have to give it lots of throttle to > start is > >> > >> >> > that it's flooded. Opening the throttle lets in more air, > diluting > >> > >> >> > the > >> > >> >> > accumulated gas to the proper mixture. Then the engine can > fire up. > >> > >> > >> >> > I also had this symptom due to a torn petcock diaphragm. > >> > >> > >> >> > Jay S > >> > >> >> > 92 NH750 > >> > >> >> > South Florida > >> > >> > >> >> > On Aug 26, 5:39 am, jaybird248 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >> >> Absolutely check the petcock, as surfswab says. These > symptoms are > >> > >> >> >> exactly like what happened on my bike and it turned out to be > a > >> > >> >> >> small > >> > >> >> >> hole worn in the diaphragm. When I replaced the defective > unit, > >> > not > >> > >> >> >> only did the symptoms clear up, my gas mileage went from the > 40s > >> > >> >> >> into > >> > >> >> >> the 50s. > >> > >> > >> >> >> Jay S > >> > >> >> >> 92 NH750 > >> > >> >> >> South Florida > >> > >> > >> >> >> quoted text - > >> > >> > >> >> > -- > >> > >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >> > >> >> > Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > >> > >> >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> > >> >> > [email protected]. > >> > >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > >> >> > [email protected]<nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > <nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > >> > . > >> > >> >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> > >> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > >> > >> > >> >> > -- > >> > >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >> > >> >> > Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > >> > >> >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> > >> >> > [email protected]. > >> > >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > >> >> > [email protected]<nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > <nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > >> > . > >> > >> >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> > >> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > >> > >> > >> >> -- > >> > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >> > >> >> Groups > >> > >> >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > >> > >> >> To post to this group, send email to > >> > [email protected]. > >> > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > >> >> [email protected]<nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > <nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > >> > . > >> > >> >> For more options, visit this group at > >> > >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > >> > >> > >> > -- > >> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >> > >> > Groups > >> > >> > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > >> > >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> > [email protected]. > >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > >> > [email protected]<nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > <nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > >> > . > >> > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > >> > >> To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > >> [email protected]<nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > <nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > >> > . > >> > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > >> > >> > > -- > >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> > > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > >> > > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > > [email protected]<nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > <nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > >> > . > >> > > For more options, visit this group at > >> > >http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > >> > >> > -- > >> > -Joey Kelley > >> > Need Computer Technical support? > >> >http://www.crossloop.com/JoeyKelleyComputerServices > >> > At your service - via remote control! > >> > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email > >> > >> ... > >> > >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > -Joey Kelley > Need Computer Technical support? > http://www.crossloop.com/JoeyKelleyComputerServices > At your service - via remote control! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. 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