So until this thread popped up, I was always jealous of the 700S owners - They have the super cool black exhaust pipes, and an "S" in their name... (assuming it meant 'sport')...
I'd get a 700S and assume that no one else knew the difference :) - JO On May 12, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Paul wrote: > Personally I think I would just buy a 700S and just tell everyone it's a 750. > Lying is always cheaper in the long run. :) > > Paul > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Allen Thomas <[email protected]> wrote: > The cams are different on the 700S they have a higher peak power, to make up > for the loss of torque. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joey Kelley <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 22:04:27 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: New Member looking for guidance > > Assuming Professor Surfswab* is correct - and they changed both the > bore and stroke - you would be able to relatively easily bore the > cylinders out, but not change the stroke without either changing the > heads or the crankshaft - either of which would be a fairly big job > although the latter would require an entire engine teardown. > Ok - I'm going to play devils advocate here - 700ccs - 175ccs > per cylinder (Yes, I know, it probably isn't exactly 700ccs - but I'm > doing quick math) going to 750 would push each cylinder to 187.5 ccs > per cylinder. 12.5 CCs per cylinder. > Using the rated horspower of the 450 NH (33 HP) and the > displacement - 447 CCs to be exact - .0738 HP per CC of displacement. > Multiplying by 12.5 CCs that would equal .923 HP / increase per > cylinder - or 3.692 HP total. > Ok - now I know that I'm not working with exact numbers here and > I'm guessing that the per CC output of a 450 is the same as a 700 > (which I'm almost certain it isn't - but its the only number I had) my > point being - even if you assuming all this is accurate and I'm off by > say 25% to the low - thats around 5 HP gain for a potential total > engine teardown and rebuild. > Ummmm. > I don't think its worth it - but thats me. > Other thoughts? > -Joey > *A Term of Affection :-) > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Dave <[email protected]> wrote: > > now the question becomes... how hard is it to make the 700s into a > > 750s, and is it worth the conversion (if possible?) > > > > On May 11, 5:37 pm, surfswab <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The story, 700 vs. 750, is: > >> > >> When homegrown Harley Davidson was struggling financially back in the > >> 80s, the company successfully lobbied our congress for an embargo > >> against imported bikes 750 and larger, in order to stifle competition > >> -- it was and still is, called protectionism, and still goes on in > >> some parts of the world despite mostly free markets everywhere. The > >> Japanese had done the same against Harley early on (pre-Honda) when > >> they were struggling to establish their motorcycle manufacturing > >> industry. > >> > >> But in the case of the Nighthawk, Honda modified the 750, which was in > >> full production everywhere except the U.S., by reducing the > >> displacement and tinkering with the bore and stroke, to bring it in at > >> less than 750 cc, thereby circumventing the embargo. > >> > >> Long story short, the bikes are virtually identical except for > >> displacement (and maybe kilometers vs. miles on the speedo). > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > -Joey Kelley > JoeyKelley.com - My Life Online > JoeyFixesComputers.com - Its What I Do! > JoeyKelleyPhoto.com - Photographing Today, For Tomorrow > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > Paul LeBoutillier > > www.hondanighthawks.net > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. 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