I had an 18 wheeler's tire explode next to me once. Louder than a crack of thunder followed by a hailstorm of rubber chunks. I give them a wide berth now.
On Aug 17, 2016 21:02, "'mike21222' via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" < nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Agreed. I won't pass until there's room to completely clear the vehicle in > the right lane, unless your hung up in traffic of course. In fact I tend to > wander when I pass certain vehicles. For instance when passing large > trucks, or smaller trucks with loose or questionable loads, I will move to > the left part of the fast lane to give myself that much more of a safety > cushion. Now I have had someone pull over into my lane while riding my > nighthawk, but not on the Harley. And yes, I do believe there's some truth > to the loud pipes theory. But it's just like people, you can't count on > anything except that your going to see people do things that range from > normal, expected and polite, to outrageous, unexpected and maniacal. > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com> > Date: 8/17/16 11:49 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks... > > I agree about not riding in a car's blindspot, and the fallacy of the > "loud pipes save lives" theory. And while I take the "everyone is trying to > kill me" approach, I don't have an "us vs them" mentality since I still > spend the majority of my time in a cage rather than on a bike. The > difference I try to make with that statement is to be a bit more proactive > regarding other vehicles. Don't ride into their strike zone and think "Oh, > he may not see me here I should move." Instead, with each vehicle identify > their possible strike zones and stay out of them if possible, if not plan > to spend as little time as possible in them. > > > -Kyle > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Kurt Nolte <vturbine.po...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Staying constantly alert and riding defensively is always good advice, >> but I personally detest the phrase "ride like everyone is out to kill you." >> >> I've seen far, far too many people turn that into "I'm on a bike, >> everyone is out to kill me" and becomes very bitter about "cages" and >> "cagers." It's only a very short step from that into open antagonism. >> >> I much prefer "ride like you're invisible" or "ride like nobody can see >> you." Same effect, less "us versus them" personal antagonism. >> >> Another important question to ask: CAN they see me? The number of riders >> who hang out in that driver's side rear corner blind spot is frustrating. >> No wonder they think they need loud equipment to be "safe," they're fobbing >> their safety off on someone else because they can't be arsed to ride like a >> sane person! >> >> Kurt >> >> On Aug 17, 2016 11:04 AM, "Dan Cook" <drylightn...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I can definitely sense that countersteering will be second nature at some >> point. When I was riding recently I was in a curve *exactly* like the one I >> went down in, and I had the exact same brief panicked feeling I did when I >> crashed, but knew what to do and it was no problem. >> >> It rained the day before I was out on the road this weekend and there >> were several spots with dirt/sand on the road. That was scary. >> >> I read this on a website about motorcycle safety and found it very >> interesting. Seems like good advice. >> >> 3. Play a mental game where you imagine everyone is trying to kill you >> and make it look like an accident. For example, if this person suddenly >> darted out into traffic, could I stop in time? If this person swerved to >> avoid a dog, would they hit me? If I had to slam on my brakes right now, >> could I stop without dropping the bike? If these cars go here, do I have >> more than one way out? If this guy got brake checked and then slammed on >> his brakes how would I survive behind him? If this person made a left turn >> right now into my path, could I avoid it. If that kid suddenly ran into >> the street. etc... you get the idea. You must stay 100% alert, always. >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> There is a lot to think about, but things like countersteer shouldn't be >>> one of them. The more you practice it the more it just happens without >>> thinking. The main thing to think about while riding is how exactly every >>> single other driver on the road is planning to kill you. MSF teaches you to >>> pretend the driver can't see you, which is wrong. You should always assume >>> that they can see you, and are only pretending that haven't yet to lure you >>> into complacency and into their alleged "blind spot" where they will >>> POUNCE. It can get tiring but every car I pass I'm constantly thinking of >>> what sneaky move they're going to pull to run me off the road. >>> >>> >>> -Kyle >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Dan Cook <drylightn...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This thread has been immensely helpful to me as I get back on the >>>> "horse." There is so much to think about when riding. I'm still getting >>>> used to that, and perhaps always will be. >>>> >>>> This weekend I spent some time in an industrial park riding in circles >>>> and it was extremely enjoyable. I told my wife I was going to ride to work >>>> today (20 mile commute, mostly country roads) and she said she thought I >>>> should do some more "short rides" before I take the bike to work. >>>> Considering that my accident was on the way home from work, I think she may >>>> be onto something. >>>> >>>> My car is parked outside... >>>> >>>> Wife does not like this new hobby, so I have to give sometimes. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:42 PM, <mark.wf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I like where this discussion has gone. >>>>> It also proved a helpful little seed in the back of my mind recently. >>>>> >>>>> I've been riding for a pretty long time now. >>>>> I'm old, experienced and capable of some occasional cocky behavior, >>>>> leading some to believe that I am accomplished. >>>>> >>>>> But there is always something that will help you recall what scary >>>>> feels like, how precarious two-wheeled travel really is. >>>>> >>>>> They are patching roads around here, and sometimes they decide they >>>>> will fill a gap between old road surface and patch with a little strip of >>>>> tar. NOW they have decided to dribble some coarse sand over the top of >>>>> these lines of tar. This makes them look like the older hardened patches, >>>>> but they are not. On a hot day they are little road traps waiting for >>>>> motorcycles. >>>>> >>>>> I was on one of our local two-lane curves, laid over the appropriate >>>>> amount and hit one of these lines. Like a banana peel, that crust on top >>>>> of >>>>> the tar slid right out from under my front tire. It catches you so very >>>>> off-guard and shoots adrenaline everywhere. >>>>> >>>>> The normal response, in that split-second of panic, is to come off the >>>>> throttle, come out of the turn/lean which will take you into oncoming >>>>> traffic, or off the road, depending on which direction you are turning at >>>>> the time. Fortunately there was no oncoming traffic, it was a curve right. >>>>> >>>>> It is right after this that I needed the reminder of this whole thread >>>>> lurking in my mind. In the next split second, still in panic mode now >>>>> because I am going into the other lane, I had to tell myself to stop >>>>> reacting and continue to counter steer to re-align myself and get out of >>>>> the path of oncoming. >>>>> >>>>> I am very confident with the application of, and even the mechanics >>>>> explaining counter steering. However, I am not so experienced that I can >>>>> handle all of those "hitting a banana peel" moments as though they are >>>>> routine. 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