> On that topic, @arnetheduck is Chronos non-cyclic / ARC capable now? I recall 
> reading that it was, but would be curious if there have been updates in that 
> world. Especially it looks looks like there was some big refactoring in 
> Chronos recently.

chronos has been acyclic for a good while for memory efficiency reasons - ie 
even with refc, it is a lot better to avoid cycles... as to arc, we don't test 
that specifically and I don't think we ever will.

I imagine that in some future when orc is (more) stable we'll start using / 
supporting that, but ARC looks like a niche compromise that will never work 
quite well because developers will keep shooting themselves in the foot with it 
and then complain it hurts. 

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