On Thursday, January 21, 2016 01:50:46 Jonn Mostovoy wrote: > I hate modern regime of Russia as much as the other guy.
Unfortunately, it's not just the regime. > I just want to point out that anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression of own > citizens, geopolitical expansion has nothing to do with daily activities of > normal people in big Russian cities. Anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression of opposition(read as: people who have progressive values similar to yours) and wars have immense support in Russia. An example, from the poll which predates massive anti-US,-EU propaganda and the invasion of Ukraine: http://www.levada.ru/old/03-07-2013/novyi-opros-ob-lgbt Things went downhill from back then. "How will your attitude change towards a person you know if they come out as LGBT*?": Will change for the better: 2% Won't change: 29% Will change for the worse: 50% undecided: 19% You're certainly going to have interpersonal difficulties with Putin's worshipers and you're going to encounter many of them in your day to day activities. Although, this is unlikely to translate into a substantial danger if you are just visiting. > St. Petersburg, the cultural capital of Russia is safer than a lot of > European cities. Of course, there are less safe districts, but such > districts exist in London, Paris, New Jersey, you know. This is factually incorrect. The murder, rate which is a good proxy for violent crimes rates and is reliably reported, is among the worst for large cities in europe. Crime rates, however, are much lower in a small number of (expensive and mostly central) districts and can be comparable to eg *average* Berlin rate. > Besides, one can just go to the conference and then back to the hotel. That > was what I was doing on a recent bip conference in Lviv. I had some > prejudice regarding safety, thus I was doing more networking and listening > to interesting talks and less sightseeing. Which is surprising, since Lviv is substantially safer than SPB. --Evgeny > On Jan 20, 2016 11:59 PM, "Daniel Peebles" <[email protected]> wrote: > > First off, thanks for offering to organize it. It's a big undertaking and > > you're offering a huge gift to the community. Unfortunately, my big > > concern > > (outside of my own enthusiasm for being a tourist in Russia) is around the > > LGBT situation there. I'm sure there are many people in our community who > > would not feel safe visiting Russia these days, and many of those might > > also not feel comfortable speaking up on this list to even vote against > > the > > location. > > > > As an anecdote, @aphyr, a prominent (and generally awesome) expert on > > distributed systems, recently wrote this piece on his feelings about > > attending conferences in Russia: > > https://gist.github.com/aphyr/64ef5320e87c4b09772a > > > > Anyway, if the majority of the community is in favor for holding it there, > > that's its prerogative, but I do think there are some very real downsides > > to the location. > > > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Vladimír Čunát <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 01/20/2016 10:11 PM, Arseniy Seroka wrote: > >> > I assume EU people will need visa but it should be easy to get > >> > them, > >> > right? > >> > > >> > Yes, that is the only problem, And we will help anyone who will go to > >> > >> conference > >> > >> > to get visa. We can send invitations and provide any information to our > >> > embassy to make visa getting process easier. > >> > >> Hopefully the diplomatic situation between EU and Russia won't get any > >> worse in the meantime. > >> > >> --Vladimir > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nix-dev mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nix-dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
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