Just look at this as another example of how waterfall project management doesn't work on large software projects!
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:36 AM, David R. Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Mark, > > > I don't think RedHat, Linux or the tools they used to create this mess > will be given much thought. There is a bit of blame to spread around, > not the least of which is changing the plan after much was almost > finished and not having time to do testing. The track record of the > company writing the project left a lot to be desired. I suspect that > many on this list could have done a better job at execution of the site > and database engine. Certainly part of the problem is those driving the > project at the top level had not a clue how these things work, or even > what the rules and guidelines were from the start. Even a lack of > understanding economics when the initial plan was being put together has > a lot to do with why this won't work. Fixing the web site and database > issues is possible. Fixing the plan long term is not looking good. As > Curt mentions, the long term support is going to be an expensive > nightmare. That is true for the software and the legislation. > > Dave > > On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 09:31 -0500, Mark J. Bailey wrote: > > Well, that is kind of my concern. If Red Hat didn't initially have a dog > > directly in the fight except that the contractors may have selected Red > > Hat Enterprise Linux and/or JBOSS, whatever, for the project, no amount > of > > money might be worth the cost of being dragged into that mess after the > > fact only to be inadvertently forced to public share the blame (like Curt > > suggested). Not being as big as Oracle who can weather a good amount of > > negativity, Red Hat could come away permanently scarred in the public > > (business) world. Not too good for Linux's reputation. Thank God Linux is > > infinitely more than just Red Hat! > > > > Again, I really don't know what/why they were pulled in, so am hoping to > > learn more over the coming days. It would be really interesting to see if > > Red Hat's presence might have anything to do with Oracle's Linux being > > essentially based off Red Hat's. Oracle may be why they are involved. I > > definitely got to Google on it some this weekend. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of David R. Wilson > > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 8:43 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [nlug] Red Hat at HealthCare.GOV > > > > Hello Mark, > > > > Doesn't surprise me a bit. Obviously the problem is not RedHat, but the > > plan for the software, testing and other things that should have happened > > and didn't. Another problem was the directive to gather all of the > > information before allowing a search for insurance. That was due to the > > realization that no one would buy it (or enter their data) if they knew > > what the prices were. > > > > It is a train wreck, with a worse train wreck for the initial plan. I > > read some of the bill. I was sick by the time I hit page 70, and figured > > no one in their right mind would even consider passing this mess. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 07:07 -0500, Mark J. Bailey wrote: > > > Anyone else find it interesting (and a bit worrisome too) to see Red > > > Hat so publically displayed as one of the major tech firms being > > > rushed in for Obama's and HHS's "tech surge" to salvage > > > HealthCare.GOV? On one hand, who would have thought back in the 90s > > > that one day a Linux company would stride alongside the likes of > > > Oracle in the mainstream media? On the other hand, however, the likely > > > hood that 6 weeks will fix things is anything but certain, so there > > > could be a lot of egg-on-face for Red Hat if they (all parties > > > involved) can't deliver the fix by the (unrealistic) deadline. No > > > doubt, like many of you, I have bitten off my fair share of "damn, I > > > wish I hadn't agreed to this" projects, so it will be interesting to > > > see what comes of it. I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but does > > > anyone know what aspect would have called for Red Hat to be brought in > > > (short of Linux servers themselves being utilized with > > > HealthCare.GOV)? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "NLUG" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To > > > unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk > > > [email protected] > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > > > > > > --- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "NLUG" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > > > an email to [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > -- > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "NLUG" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To > > unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "NLUG" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
