Always a good point.  There is NO REPLACEMENT for proper backups!

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On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 9:14 AM Tilghman Lesher <[email protected]>
wrote:

> All of that is moot if you're keeping offline backups (and maybe even
> offsite backups?  Right?  Right?), as the backup ensures that even if the
> original system becomes completely unavailable, you still have your
> applications and data.
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Csaba Toth <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> My definition of the vendor lock-in is the same. Controller failure is
>> much less common than than disk failure, but when it happens it can be bad.
>> In such case moving off the data may not be easy, the controller knew how
>> it calculated and stored the parity. It's not a rocket science and it can
>> be forensically determined I guess, but that may require non trivial
>> effort. I've heard of a PACS system where the controller failure was
>> forgotten out of the contract (between the hospital and the vendor), but it
>> happened and it was NOT pretty.
>>
>> With LVM it's all software, so you don't even have to move the data off,
>> if you find any controller with JBOD capability which can show the disks
>> again to the system.
>>
>> I also often come across systems which 10+ years old, still running fine,
>> but the controllers become my first thought in my mind. The best if you
>> have some spare one. Still SATA, but yes, PATA for example is getting
>> really outdated.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 9:46 AM Tilghman Lesher <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I think of vendor lock-in, I generally think of the inability to
>>> move data off of one system.  I don't think that's really much of a
>>> concern, at least if you're working with business systems, and your
>>> hardware is not more than a few years old.  As the disks tend to fail more
>>> often than the controller, how you formatted and managed the disks isn't
>>> likely to be the main issue.
>>>
>>> The bigger issue that you're going to encounter is a change in hardware
>>> specification.  Imagine that you have a storage room full of IDE disks, and
>>> you needed to get information off of them, when today, the prevailing
>>> standard is SATA.  Or, if you're into tape backups, imagine a room full of
>>> backup tapes and being unable to find a working drive that takes that
>>> specific tape.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 12:54 AM, Csaba Toth <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> True. LVM is not remotely equivalent, but can be utilized towards use
>>>> cases of disk arrays. A well versed RAID controller makes it easy to set up
>>>> a RAID 50 for example but as you experienced, they can age and things can
>>>> go wrong. Some of them are true hardware RAID, like lats time I dealt with
>>>> an AMCC which has PowerPC CPU on board to perform the parity computations
>>>> and related stuff. But for today's CPUs that's not much. If you have enough
>>>> spare cards that can be enough fine.
>>>> One thing I also learned long time ago: make sure to have a BBU and
>>>> that the BBU battery is charged & functional, otherwise you can be impacted
>>>> by a significant speed hit because the card won't cache as much / caches
>>>> differently for data integrity reasons.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Chris McQuistion <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don’t think of Linux software RAID as the same as LVM but yes I
>>>>> would prefer Linux software RAID over hardware RAID because the 
>>>>> performance
>>>>> is very good and the array is portable. I had a hardware RAID card die on
>>>>> me, many years ago, and it made me realize that I was dependent on that
>>>>> single piece of hardware that the manufacturer (Adaptec) had long since
>>>>> discontinued.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Csaba Toth <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you favor LVM over "hardware" (quote is half intentional)? My
>>>>> twin brother's advice is that this way I can avoid vendor lock-in. And if
>>>>> something goes south I can still migrate to anything which provides JBOD.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Chris McQuistion <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> and if you "watch cat /proc/mdstat", you can watch the progress as
>>>>>> your RAID array is built or re-built.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Chris McQuistion*
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 9:58 AM Howard White <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently messing about with a software raid (md).  Found a nice
>>>>>>> how-to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-create-raid-arrays-with-mdadm-on-ubuntu-16-04
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that included a couple of generally useful commands:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lsblk -o NAME,SIZE,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cat /prod/mdstat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enjoy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Howard
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