[Note: this email is being sent directly from the GMail web client, so its header should be correct and not "spammy."]
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:58:21 -0500 Ken Hornstein <[email protected]> sez: > >As you can probably see from this message's header, my nominal > >email provider is Google (@gmail.com) but my ISP is Comcast. In > >particular, they are not the same domain. Nor are my Google > >account's username and my machine's login ID the same (for > >historical reasons). So, even though I set up as much of my > >composed message's header to reflect the @gmail.com account, it's > >pretty clear that it's coming from someone else. Hence, the > >tagging of them by aggressive filters as spam. > > So, it might be useful to figure out exactly what is causing > the spam tagging, and work on that. I know that this is > sometimes hard to discover. > > I can only say that this email has one domain, but is being > submitted to another domain and AFAIK, I get caught in zero > spam filters ... at least, that's what I can tell. Good question. I'm assuming it's because of the different sender domain versus From: domain because friends have warned me that their mailer is popping up a "this email might not have been sent by [email protected]" warnings. I also see something similar when GMail tags my own messages (that I've Cc-ed myself on). > >Note: since my machine login ID is a pretty common one, to avoid > >my emails bounces going to someone else accidentally I set up > >sendmail to specify my domain as @localhost.localdomain. This no > >doubt also contributes to the spam-tagging. > > Well, I guess I would wonder what the effects of that are. > First off, I see your message-id has "@localhost.localdomain" > in it; if I had to guess, I would think that would be one of > the biggest things that spam filters are being triggered by in > your case. Also ... I don't understand why you would need to > do this to stop email bounces. Your bounces should be going to > the envelope-from address, and that looks like it is set > correctly. Is there a better domain to use? Comcast is my ISP, but I don't want sendmail thinking that another Comcast user's email address (e.g. [email protected]) is a local address, trying (and failing) to send email to a non-existent user on my computer. I also don't want the Sender: address that would be generated ([email protected]) to be seen as a possible address for mailers to send replies to (see below). As for why I'm using @localhost.localdomain, that's for historical reasons. In the (dim-and-distant) past, a few friends complained that replies to my emails would actually be set up to be sent to the Sender: address, despite my From: and Reply-To: fields being set to my public email address. (Other than that address, I haven't changed my $MH_DIR/components in probably 15 years.) I used to use "mit.edu" as my computer's domain (because I didn't know about @localhost.localdomain), and there really is/was an active [email protected] email address who actually received a few of those replies. > >I'm guessing that one "simple" solution might be to purchase my > >own domain, and then register it with GMail as an "equivalent > >address" to "validate" my emails as non-spam. I'd like to avoid > >this if possible. > > So my configuration is that I do not use sendmail at all; I > have nmh do authenticated SMTP directly to the mail server I > send stuff through. I think that if you did that you'd be in > much better shape; for starters, your message-id would be a lot > better. You might have to do slight tweaking to get that to > work right with gmail (like enabling your account for > "insecure" applications), but I believe it should work fine > with the stock nmh. > > We have contribued work from Eric Gillespie to support the > XOAUTH protocol used by gmail; it's on my list of things to > integrate, but it's kind of complicated and I haven't yet had > the time to figure it out. Not needing to use Sendmail would probably be a godsend for me, as I obviously don't understand it or how to correctly set it up! I can try this and see if I'm successful. Could you point me to a man page, or maybe NMH archives that I could read to experiment? Thank you very much!!! Bob _______________________________________________ Nmh-workers mailing list [email protected] https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
