Depends. I have come across cases with large variances where you get an overflow to zero in SAEM. It is however not very likely with a closed-form PK model.

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On 26-01-2024 16:41, Leonid Gibiansky wrote:
This part is easy to solve: if you do it in log space, Q will always be positive, no PROTECT is needed (and I am not sure it is relevant in the case when Q is going to be negative).

On 1/26/2024 10:27 AM, Jeroen Elassaiss-Schaap (PD-value B.V.) wrote:
Dear Omar,


What you describe is not that strange. It can happen because SAEM does random sampling whereas FOCE-I uses a directed search. Therefore extreme values can occur with SAEM. Please refer to the section I60 of user guide for v7+ "Stable Routines for Estimation Methods and Automated Protection Against Floating Point Exceptions" for more detail, but you could start with including

$ABBR PROTECT

which probably is adequate in your case.


Hope this helps,

Jeroen


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On 26-01-2024 16:01, Elashkar, Omar I. wrote:
Hello NMusers,

I have created a model that fit ok with FOCE+I. When I try to fit with SAEM, I get the following error:

"""
 ERROR IN TRANS4 ROUTINE: Q   IS ZERO
 Elapsed estimation  time in seconds:     0.00
 INDIVIDUAL OBJECTIVE FUNCTION VALUES ARE ALL ZERO. PROBLEM ENDED
"""

The data is very small, but the model seems acceptable from bootstrap on FOCE+I.  Any ideas are appreciated!

Thank you,
Omar



*Omar Elashkar, *B.Pharm, MSc

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University of Florida | College of Pharmacy





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