Hi Jason,

> On Nov 13, 2023, at 08:54, Livingood, Jason via Nnagain 
> <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
> > Would love to spend some time thinking together about what a smart 
> > manufacturing system would look like in terms of connectivity, latency, 
> > compute availability, anything that occurs to you. I know a guy who does 
> > devops for factories, and he has amazing stories -- might be good to make 
> > that connection as well. 
>  
> One of the L4S (low latency, low loss, scalable throughput) demos that Nokia 
> did at a recent IETF hackathon showed a simulated 5G access network to do low 
> latency remote control of cranes in an industrial port facility. It seemed 
> like one of their points was that you could remotely operate cargo container 
> movements with the crane via a remote workforce over a low delay network 
> connection - even with fairly limited bandwidth (they’d adjust the throughput 
> down to just a few hundred kbps).
>  
> While they did not say much more, I could envision a port operator being able 
> to gain more efficiency by enabling a skilled operator to control cranes at 
> several ports around the world on an as-needed basis (vs. being based in 1 
> port and having some downtime or low utilization of their skills/training), 
> even from the comfort of home.


        I would stop doing business with such ports... there clearly are 
accidents (or sabotage/jamming) just waiting to happen using wireless 
connections for such use-cases... Yes, I understand that that is what Nokia 
sells, so everything looks like a nail to them, but really "caveat emptor", 
just because something can be done does not mean it should be done as well... 

Regards
        Sebastian

P.S.: Currently in the US for a conference, getting reminded how shitty GSM/LTE 
can be, heck the conference WiFi (with 25K attendees) is more responsive than 
GSM... I am sure 5G might be better, but my phone is LTE only... 


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