Removing debbie from the thread, per her request. I note that I rather like the ability to comment freely on someones work, and occasionally have them listen, constructively.
On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 6:35 PM Debbie Chachra <dchac...@olin.edu> wrote: > > I was added to this thread without my consent and I do not wish to be part of > this discussion. Please remove my email address. > > .dc. > > -- > > Debbie Chachra, PhD > > (she/they) > > > How Infrastructure Works [US/UK] > > > > Professor of Engineering > > www.olin.edu > > > > > ________________________________ > From: rjmcmahon <rjmcma...@rjmcmahon.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2023 5:54 PM > To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this > time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Cc: Dave Taht <dave.t...@gmail.com>; Debbie Chachra <debbie.chac...@olin.edu> > Subject: Re: [NNagain] water infrastructure and much more > > [FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER] > > The initial phase of potable water in Boston wasn't because of germ > theory but rather about the temperance movement. Also, water > infrastructure was used to support fire departments in cities in the US. > Our cities tended to experience a lot of conflagrations. Rich people had > access to piped water infrastructure way ahead of poor people in Boston > for sure. It was a doctor who led Boston to provide universal access to > clean, potable water in the name of public health. There are a lot of > books written by trained historians on this - no need to for us to > guess. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_movement#:~:text=People%20were%20instructed%20to%20only,had%20gained%201.5%20million%20members. > > Teetotalism (1830s) > See also: Blue ribbon badge > As a response to rising social problems in urbanized areas, a stricter > form of temperance emerged called teetotalism, which promoted the > complete abstinence from alcoholic beverages, this time including wine > and beer, not just ardent spirits. The term teetotaler came from the > capital "T"s that were written next to the names of people who pledged > complete abstinence from alcohol. People were instructed to only drink > pure water and the teetotalists were known as the "pure-water army". In > the US, the American Temperance Union advocated total abstinence from > distilled and fermented liquors. By 1835, they had gained 1.5 million > members. > > Bob > > I have not had much time to write anything long form, but I enjoy > > reading long, thoughtful pieces on Sundays, and this one might > > ultimately yield analogies for internet infrastructure also. > > > > https://comment.org/care-at-scale/ > > > > "In the late nineteenth century, the wealthy taxpayers of Boston were > > convinced to build out water and sewage systems by a straightforward > > logic: every person in the city, rich or poor, needed clean water to > > drink every day. Without it, they would be at risk of contracting > > water-borne diseases like cholera. And with so many people in > > proximity, wealth alone couldn’t provide protection from contagious > > disease." > > > > While otherwise a wonderful read - go read it!! - > > > > Me being me, I disagree that "the wealthy taxpayers of boston > > recognized the need for common water infrastructure" because the germ > > theory of disease was not well accepted, and the organism behind the > > epidemic was first described in 1854 and not again until 1884. I > > imagine there was great - AGW-esq - sturm und drang - and attempts to > > shift the blame for cholera to merely "being poor", or "foreign", or > > "the will of the gods", or rats - and attempts to shift the costs > > onto various other parties before safer water distribution systems > > were built, but! I freely admit, I have not done the research into the > > controversies that IMHO, must have existed back then. I think that > > practical problems, like enough city water in the first place to > > support the population density therein, also were a factor. > > > > The need for sound water and septic systems was recognized by many > > cities two millenia prior to this... and not by many others. I > > remember when the Delaware river and Boston Harbor were sewers, and > > have lived many places around the world where that was still the case > > for many rivers. > > > > From some history (that I already knew) see this: > > > > https://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/firstdiscoveredcholera.html > > > > (It is remarkable how many expired SSL certificates there are in the > > world, also.) > > > > The Boston river caught fire many times before 1969, and until then, > > no-body cared: > > > > https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cuyahoga-river-caught-fire-least-dozen-times-no-one-cared-until-1969-180972444/ -- :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos _______________________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
