I agree Dave! Sometimes I find it difficult to drag myself away from the dopamine machine aka cell phone (credit for that phrase to Ben at epsilontheory.com), but I always appreciate it when I do.
-- Tanya :-)
On 12/15/2023 5:36 PM EST Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 2:13 PM David Bray, PhD via Nnagain<nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:>This GPT(human)bot was responding to the engineered prompt: >>why do you think telehealth won't work over LEO services?As it's Friday, this GPT(human)bot bandwidth has been fully utilized for the week. Our servers will be back-on line come Monday.Wishing everyone (human or machine) a wonderful weekend ahead!Sometimes the best way to value something is to get away from it for awhile. I recommend everybody log off... maybe take a walkin the park, see some friends, make some music, visit a library, playgolf, go fishing, spend time with your loved ones, fire up a cardgame...stop with the technology for a while and re-engage your other senses.The internet will still be here when you get back.>On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 5:10 PM David Lang <da...@lang.hm> wrote:>I don't disagree with anything that you say below, but the discussion was on thetopic of starlink vs fiber, with the person I was responding to claiming that weneeded to have women in charge of the Internet companies because of telehealthas well.I'm a remote worker and VERY aware of how limiting video calls are compared toin-person meetings.David LangOn Fri, 15 Dec 2023, David Bray, PhD wrote:There’s good evidence that physical health can be done over LEO as long asit isn’t low latency dependent. Of course our illustrious listserv founderDave Taht will be quick to point out high latency is also found viaground-based connections too.That said, there is still a lot of research debate on whether mental healthservices can be delivered effectively over video in general - regardless ofLEO or not. The concern is two fold:* video is suboptimal to detect tiny tells and other signatures of apatient developing a relationship with a health provider* 2D video actually is worse for brainstorming and creative ideation. Onemight say so what relative to delivering healthcare, except the evidenceshowing that video is worse for brainstorming indicates there’s actually acontinual subconscious confusion when folks do video calls prompted by thebody trying to discern if the one or more disembodied heads are friend orfoe. Since we cannot see a person’s hands and body movements we don’t knowif they’re coming to attack us or not.So future generations may look back and decide that with video calls wewere literally messing with our brains’ own natural biological processes?On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 16:42 David Lang via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:why do you think telehealth won't work over LEO services?I've used it personally.Even if women use telehealth more than men, that doesn't say that womenhave anyparticular advantage in moving the bits around that make telehealthpossible.David LangOn Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:Women are the primary users and providers of telehealth services. Theyareusing broadband to care for our population. They also run most of theaddiction services across our country, whatever the addiction may be. Sogender actually matters. Ask them as providers. Telehealth doesn't workoverLEO (nor does it matter much for men on boats.) Same for distancelearning.>>>As Washington considers which virtual care flexibilities should remaininplace post-COVID-19, experts are flagging that paring back telehealthaccessand affordability will disproportionately affect women, even as agrowingshare of startups emerge to address women’s unique health needs.While women are more likely than men to visit doctors and consumehealthcareservices in general, telehealth seems to be uniquely attractive to women.Bobwho exactly do you think is calling for there to be no Internetaccess? and what in the world does the sex of individuals have to dowith shipping bits around?Starlink (and hopefully it's future competitors) provides a way to getInternet service to everyone without having to run fiber to everyhouse.As for the parallels with rural electrification, if that problem wereto be faced today, would the right answer be massive public agenciesto build and run miles of wire from massive central power plants? orwould the right answer be solar + batteries in individual houses forthe most rural folks, with small modular reactors to power the largerpopulation areas?Just because there was only one way to achieve a goal in the pastdoesn't mean that approach is the best thing to do today.David LangOn Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:Hi All,We're trying to modernize America. LBJ helped do it for electricitydecades ago. It's our turn to step up to the plate. Tele-health anddistance learning requires us to do so. There is so much to follow.A reminder what many women went through before LBJ showed up. I'mskeptical a patriarchy under Musk is even close to capable. Weprobably>>> need a woman to lead us, or at least motivate us to do our best workfor>>> our country and to be an example to the world.>>>>>> A Hill Country farm wife had to do her chores even if she was ill – no>>> matter how ill. Because Hill Country women were too poor to affordproper>>> medical care they often suffered perineal tears in childbirth. Duringthe>>> 1930s, the federal government sent physicians to examine a sampling of>>> Hill Country women. The doctors found that, out of 275 women, 158 had>>> perineal tears. Many of them, the team of gynecologists reported, were>>> third-degree tears, “tears so bad that it is difficult to see how they>>> stand on their feet.” But they were standing on their feet, and doingall>>> the chores that Hill Country wives had always done – hauling thewater,>>> hauling the wood, canning, washing, ironing, helping with theshearing,>>> the plowing and the picking.>>>>>> Because there was no electricity.>>>>>> Bob>>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote:>>>>>>>>> Hi Frantisek,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2023, at 13:46, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain>>>>>> <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages of satcom>>>>>> such as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time, toovercome>>>>>> the 'tangled fiber' problem.>>>>>>>>>>>> No, not really. Starlink was about to address the issue of digital>>>>>> divide ->>>>>>>>>> I beg to differ. Starlink is a commercial enterprise with the goalto>>>>> make a profit by offering (usable) internet access essentially>>>>> everywhere; it is not as far as I can tell an attempt atspecifically>>>>> reducing the digital divide (were often an important factor is not>>>>> necessarily location but financial means).>>>>>>>> Every Inernet company " commercial enterprise with the goal to make a>>>> profit by offering (usable) internet" don't dismiss a company because>>>> of that. Starlink (and the other Satellite ISPs) all exist to service>>>> people who can't use traditional wired infrastructure>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delivering internet to those 640k locations, where there isliterally>>>>>> none today. Fiber will NEVER get there. And it will get there, itwill>>>>>> be like 10 years down the road.>>>>>>>>>> This is IHO the wrong approach to take. The goal needs to be a>>>>> universal FTTH access network (with the exception of extremelocations,>>>>> no need to pull fiber up to the highest Bivouac shelter on Mt.Whitney).>>>>> And f that takes a decade or two, so be it, this is infrastructurethat>>>>> will keep on helping for many decades once rolled-out. However given>>>>> that time frame one should consider work-arounds for the interimperiod.>>>>> I would have naively thought starlink would qualify for that from a>>>>> technical perspective, but then the FCC documents actuallydiscussion>>>>> requirements and how they were or were not met/promised by starlinkwas>>>>> mostly redacted.>>>>>>>> what do you consider 'extreme locations'? how long a run between>>>> houses is 'too far'?>>>>>>>> we've seen the failure of commercial fiber monopolies in cities with>>>> housing density of several houses per acre (and even where there are>>>> apartment complexes there as well) because it's not profitable enough.>>>> When you get into areas where it's 'how many acres per house' the cost>>>> of running FTTH gets very high. I don't think this is the majority of>>>> the population of the US any longer (but I don't know for sure), but>>>> it's very clearly the majority of the area of the US. And once you get>>>> out of the major metro areas, even getting fiber to every town or>>>> village becomes a major undertaking.>>>>>>>> Is running fiber 30 miles to support a village of 700 people an>>>> 'extreme location'? let me introduce you to Vermontville MI>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermontville,_Michigan which is less>>>> than an hours drive from the state capitol.>>>>>>>> David Lang>>>> _______________________________________________>>>> Nnagain mailing list>>>_______________________________________________Nnagain mailing list_______________________________________________Nnagain mailing list--:( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlabDave Täht CSO, LibreQos_______________________________________________Nnagain mailing list
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