Please do not bicker over politics here. This is not the place, and it never ever ends well.
Please do not call each other idiots or make other personal remarks. If you want to say that a piece of *code* is terrible, or that a software approach is misguided, or that a statement is factually untrue, then that's perfectly fine (as long as it actually is!) but the Node.js user list must remain respectful. (Challenging someone for benchmark numbers when they've made performance assertions is also not only accepted, but encouraged.) But a personal insult is not allowed, even if it's warranted. If someone's *actually* causing problems, let me or one of the other admins know, and they'll get a warning, and if that doesn't work, they'll get banned. (Even if the person is an admin. You can complain about me to the other core devs on this list, and they'll set me straight.) Calling someone a troll is insulting if they are not, and it is entertaining if they are. Don't complain in public about another user. Just talk to an admin in private. (Or email them directly off-list, if you feel comfortable doing so.) More on topic, The MIT license in node (as well as the MIT and BSD licenses in the vast majority of open source node programs) explicitly allows use for closed-source commercial applications. If Dennis wants to keep his source closed, then that's his prerogative. In fact, he can take all the modules we create, and use them in his closed-source proprietary thing, so long as he abides by the extremely liberal licenses that most of them use. If you think he's wrong about the value of open source, or its overblownness, refute it with data. (Or don't, and just go back to cranking out awesome open source software.) Dennis, since you came here ostensibly trying to raise interest among other developers (and have been mostly successful, reading through the thread), I would suggest re-thinking your approach somewhat. I'm not talking about what's right or wrong, merely what's effective. Many people come to a project like Node.js because they feel strongly about open source software. If your goal is to recruit them, you should think about the effects that your words have. If you want to recruit developers who *aren't* passionate about open source software, then you're in the wrong place. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 18:20, Dennis Kane <[email protected]> wrote: >> You don't come off as an asshole -- and besides, we have no problem with >> assholes: we're developers. Saying the things you're saying, to the audience >> you're saying them to -- well, it's that you come off as an idiot. The good >> news is this is a lot easier to fix. >> > > I'm an idiot because of my political views, and not my programming ability, > I assume. The only thing I'm worried about is the programming. If you've > got some criticism about that, I'm all ears. > >> >> Oh, you're looking for help? Here's a suggestion: you could open up the >> code and see what people do. > > No. Now chill out about the open source thing. It's boring. Redundant. > Etc. > >> >> Far be it from us to tell you what to do with your code, but you're the >> one asking for help, and this is naturally the first bit of feedback you're >> going to get. Why would any of us invest much more of our precious time >> helping you improve your proprietary product? The world doesn't work that >> way -- at least, not anymore. >> > Dude, I'm looking to get a business off the ground. People work with each > other and try to make money off of their labors. It has happened once or > twice before. You say the word "proprietary" as if its one of the seven > deadly ones. > >> >> So yes, back to the thing itself: node.js (this is the node.js list, after >> all). You've expressed clearly that you have no interest in making your work >> part of node's ecosystem. So at this point you're just noise, no different >> than a recruiter. You just said as much yourself: "I'm here because I can't >> do this thing by myself." At least recruiters, even the worst of them, have >> a payed position to offer and the good sense not to directly insult the >> target audience :P >> > Sorry. I don't have any personal feelings about node's ecosystem. It's > just a tool that I take for granted. I set up the site with express, and > now I don't think about it. It just works. I have a server hooked into the > main parser to shuttle stuff between it and express. Sometimes I need to > make use of the filesystem. Other that that, I'm pretty much using straight > javascript. It's google's v8 work that's doing most of the heavy lifting for > me. Besides, I didn't know that I had to have feelings for the tools that I > use in order to be accepted in the development community. And yes, I am > recruiting people who are interested in doing something awesome with this > tool. And I'll offer something even better that paychecks: how about > co-ownership? > >> >> Good luck to you and your product, but kindly take your noise elsewhere. > > > Nah, I think I'll chill here for awhile. I'm sure there are some people > around here like me that appreciate new technology over the same old > politics. > > -- > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ > Posting guidelines: > https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "nodejs" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "nodejs" group. 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