Ill repeat myself for the third time now: If you see something and are confused on what it means, Google is a great starting point. Had you attempting to figure it out on your own, you would have seen the first link, felt silly, and moved on.
-Chad From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SL Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nodejs] Re: process.env - documentation? Ok, last post as the vibe here is a distinctly unfriendly... It's quite simple: When I read 'see environ(7)' I assumed that was a reference to another part of the node docs. When a reference is made to another source, I'm used to seeing the source named. If it had said 'see: man-pages environ(7)' there probably would have been no misunderstanding. On 1 November 2012 17:58, Chad Engler <[email protected]> wrote: I really think all of this could have been avoided, and new knowledge consumed using this simple process that has guided me for years: 1. Encounter unknown term, phrase, or idea 2. Copy unknown term, phrase, or idea to clipboard 3. Paste unknown term, phrase, or idea into a search engine search bar (I tend to use Google) 4. Select "Search" 5. View results, which 98% of the time will clear up confusion. If this process fails, then repeat using similar terms. If that also fails, then I usually head to StackOverflow/mailing lists. My point was there was no attempt to solve this besides "tell me what I need to know" and "We should fix the docs so people who have never developed before can use them." -Chad From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SL Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nodejs] Re: process.env - documentation? As you guessed, I'm developing on Windows. Thanks for the understanding! Yes a link would have avoided all confusion. On 1 November 2012 17:42, Tim Caswell <[email protected]> wrote: I've been using since before it was popular. Back in the early days, the docs for node were full of references to linux man pages like this. My background was scripting languages and I had never done any C programming so I had no clue what readdir(3) meant. To open a file back then you had to manually bitwise OR the various unix flags together yourself. (Using "r", "w", "a", etc was an addition I made) Things now are much easier for people without a C background and there are many fewer parts left in the docs that assume knowledge of man pages. That said, I did eventually figure out it was referencing man pages. I was a linux user after all, I had just never used man to lookup C APis. How about we just link to one of the man mirrors in the API docs? I was an experienced linux user and I still didn't know what the docs were talking about, I can only imagine how confused windows users would be. On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Chad Engler <[email protected]> wrote: > It wasn't condescending; "topic(page#)" like "environ(7)" is a very common > way to express man pages, and if you aren't aware of what the user > environment is you should probably do more research. Had you typed > "environ(7)" into google before getting butthurt at the docs, you probably > would have found out exactly what it was with no help from anyone. There is > no reason to repost the manual page since there is already a manual page for > it, the docs are fine the way they are; you just need to try to look a > little harder, or be grateful when people help. > > > > -Chad > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > SL > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [nodejs] Re: process.env - documentation? > > > > Wow, thanks for the condescending and arrogant comment! I'm not suggesting > there should be a 'tutorial' about any of those things you mentioned. > However the docs at the moment are IMO a bit ambiguous about this point - it > just says "An object containing the user environment. See environ(7)." I > didn't realise immediately that this is talking about the OS environment > variables - I'm sure I'm not the only one. > > On 1 November 2012 14:13, Matt <[email protected]> wrote: > > If the docs covered every aspect of how programming networks, child > processes, systems and filesystems worked they would be huge. > > > > There's a place for tutorials though - but it's not in the core docs IMHO. > If you don't know what an environment variable is then you have some basic > learning to do before diving straight into programming. > > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM, SL <[email protected]> wrote: > > Or we could make the docs a bit clearer... > > > > On 31 October 2012 18:46, Jorge <jorge%[email protected] <mailto:jorge%[email protected]> > > wrote: > > On 31 oct, 17:26, Scott Elcomb <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Jorge >> > >> <jorge%[email protected] <mailto:jorge%[email protected]> > wrote: >> > On Oct 31, 2:04 pm, Bgsosh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi, I'm tring to understand the structure of the process.env object, >> >> but >> >> the online docs just say 'An object containing the user environment. >> >> See >> >> environ(7).' >> >> >> I can't find 'environ(7)' (whatever that is!). Is this documented >> >> somewhere? >> >> > Type this in the terminal: >> >> > $ man 7 environ >> >> That'd be tricky for Windows users to do if they're not running a >> *nix-like shell. 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