FWIW I have done several sites without using any framework.  I find routing
and other functions they provide to be trivial to implement.  Also I put in
features they don't have like websocket support, etc.  You can use plugins
intended for those frameworks with your own code.

In general I don't like being told how to organize my code.  I would never
be able to use rails.


On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Mikhail Zabaluev <[email protected]
> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have created a website using Express, like perhaps most of the people
> who do their first project on Node.js.
> I find it a simple and convenient stack for basic and moderately complex
> websites.
> However, I'm curious to learn of ways to use Express, or any other
> frameworks that don't have the following limitations:
>
> 1. The middleware chains are invoked strictly sequentially and are not
> very flexible. There are ways to add path-specific middleware, but there
> doesn't appear to be a convenient way to alter the processing sequence
> based on per-request conditions. My use case: I don't want to request a
> potentially expensive connection to the persistent data store, or even
> invoke bodyParser etc., if the user is not logged in accordingly to the
> session (stored in Redis), and therefore the request is to be served an
> invariable file or redirected. My current solution is a wrapper function
> that checks a condition and passes control to the wrapped middleware or
> bypasses it, depending on the result.
>
> 2. Dependencies between middleware functions are implicit, and resolved by
> the use order: you've got to know that cookieParser has to be invoked
> before session, instead of the session middleware declaring it as a
> dependency so that it's invoked automatically in the correct order, or not
> invoked at all if session and any other dependent middleware stages were
> not used for this request, as suggested in point 1.
>
> 3. Connect-style middleware does not have a good place to pass
> intermediate results except hanging them off request or response objects,
> which can result in property name conflicts.
>
> Basically, I'd love to find something that marries Express-style process
> stage composition with the declarative control flow approach of async.auto,
> while being more lightweight and elegant than Shepherd or Plan.
>
> Regards,
>   Mikhail
>
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