The situations I'm talking about were both cases where I needed to set the __proto__ of a function to inherit from another object or function. One is an instance where Function.create is insufficient because I did not create the originating function.
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Kelley <[email protected]>wrote: > Adam - > > I am interested in the code where using __proto__ was the only solution. > This would be a counter-example to my initial claim #2. What happens if you > replace foo.__proto__ with Object.getPrototypeOf(foo)? > > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Adam Crabtree <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Removing __proto__ is both naive and misinformed for several reasons. >> >> Further, there is nothing in Domenic's dict project that suggests the >> presence of __proto__ is itself a problem. At best, it implies its use will >> somehow "ruin your day" with a link to a google docs bug[1] that merely >> illustrates the need for Object.create(null), which has *nothing* to do >> with Google Docs *using* __proto__. It also doesn't address any of the >> functionality __proto__ provides, which is of course expected b/c that's >> not the point of the dict module. >> >> To be fair to Domenic, we're almost certainly recontextualizing his >> points, so they especially don't apply here at all. >> >> At any rate, here's a list of reasons removing __proto__ is a bad idea: >> >> 1. Node.js === V8, and since V8 has __proto__ there's plenty of code >> (both libraries and application code) that use __proto__. Do you have a >> good reason why having it will cause more damage than breaking all existing >> code that does? >> >> 2. I really hope it's not removed from strict mode until the language >> provides equivalent functionality. Think Object.create is sufficient? What >> about Function.create, Error.create or even Array.create? I've had handful >> of cases both in library code and application code where the best solution >> was to use __proto__ and several times where it was the only solution[2,3]. >> >> 3. Even if Function.create and Error.create existed, what about >> reassigning after creation in cases where your application code did not >> create it? >> >> Let's not fork to create a handcuffed version of the language. >> >> Cheers, >> Adam Crabtree >> >> >> >> [1] >> http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/docs/0hQWeOvCcHU/13arVnFhU4YJ >> [2] https://github.com/CrabDude/trycatch/issues/23 >> [3] https://github.com/CrabDude/proxis/blob/master/proxis.js#L121 >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Jorge Chamorro <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> On 20/09/2013, at 15:40, mks wrote: >>> >>> > {} is not an hash table. Object.create(null) is more likely >>> >>> That, *and* kill the __proto__, if not: >>> >>> hash= Object.create(null); >>> key= '__proto__'; >>> >>> hash[key]= 27; >>> hash[key] >>> null //What? >>> >>> Or worse: >>> >>> hash[key]= this; >>> 'require' in hash >>> true //What? >>> 'console' in hash >>> true //What? >>> 'Array' in hash >>> true //What? >>> >>> etc. >>> -- >>> ( Jorge )(); >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ >>> Posting guidelines: >>> https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "nodejs" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "nodejs" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Better a little with righteousness >> than much gain with injustice. >> Proverbs 16:8 >> >> -- >> -- >> Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ >> Posting guidelines: >> https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "nodejs" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "nodejs" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nodejs/HvwsNAuAN2Q/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > -- > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ > Posting guidelines: > https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "nodejs" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "nodejs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Better a little with righteousness than much gain with injustice. 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