this is my thought on the overusage for Des. I have only looked at this team because I play him in the first round but I would feel cheated if I won the series without Des at full strength. Overusage is a big problem however I have a hard time seeing someone penalized when there player is overused on someone elses watch by a very minor infraction such as 1 or 2%. The important thing is to keep everything fun without allowing direct violations of the rules. B
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 12:29:00 -0700 From: [email protected] Subject: Overusage Discussion results To: [email protected] Oakland Buzzards have reversed their position on overusage in calendar '10 we enjoyed 12 road games / 20something home games in SeptOct. making usage very easy to monitor this year, but .... Hurricanes had 3 home games ??!!! argh. clearly Tom and Chuck have made specific efforts to avoid overusage , and still it occurs , due to the schedule NOT from lack of due diligence. these sanctions seem excessive for such an unfortunate set of circumstances. 11 innings seems like alot but I think Vasquez Hoffman and Kemp should be liberated ... perhaps nextyear ; locking our CM in Sept.... and/or 103% --- On Sun, 10/24/10, chuck s <[email protected]> wrote: From: chuck s <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Overusage Discussion results To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 11:30 AM Here Here Tom! Stop looking at the letter of the law and look more at the spirit of the law. You can tell when someone is trying to control their useage versus someone who is abusing it. Sorry I wasn't able to calculate correctly to the AB how Kemp would be used on the road in the last block thought I did the best I could and I think it shows. Chuck LV -----Original Message----- From: Tom Vanderlaan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, Oct 24, 2010 10:33 am Subject: Overusage Discussion results Hey guys, I wanted to weigh in on my overuseage on my 3 players. Hoffman- I traded for him in late July and he was already over his innings pitched when he moved onto my roster. I got him strictly for the playoffs! I never once activated him! The overuseage when he was actually on my team happened on 8/8 in which he pitched 3 innings AT OHIO and 8/10 in which he pitched a 1/3 of an inning at OHIO. AGAIN I NEVER ONCE HAD HIM ACTIVATED. I DON'T KNOW WHY OHIO HAD HIM ACTIVE. HE NEVER PITCHED IN ANY OTHER GAME IN ANY MONTH BCUZ HE WAS IN THE MINORS. Vasquez- I traded for Vasquez for a playoff push as well. I was watching him closely through September/October; I had two games left for him to pitch(last two series of THE year) and he had 14 innings left in which they were both road games. I got results back from Lakeland that he pitched 7innings. I then emailed PIT to let him know that Vasquez could only go 7 innings. I never heard a word from him? Then, I get results back that he pitches a 9 inning complete game shutout! So he went over 2 innings over. 221 innings out of 219 pitched. I even pulled him after 5 innings in his 9/25 start to help make sure i was good on the road. Once again I am being punished by NO playoffs. Lackey went over 3 innings and was over by 1%. I can't give you any excuses on my end for him. He just got a bit away from me a bit. I understand if he shouldn't pitch in the playoffs. BUT THE ABOVE TWO WERE SIMPLY NOT MY FAULT. I feel in both cases that Hoffman and Vasquez should be able to pitch in the playoffs. Also from the other teams I can't believe we are going to punish Kemp who had 600+ at bats and was over 4 at bats and we deem that as no playoffs? THAT'S NOT BLATANT OVERUSEAGE. Maybe Poreda over 11 innings(used like a dog in Sept; might not have been forseen either) and maybe Guzman over 8+ may be a bit much. Allthough Guzman was right on useage until the last 4 games of the year on the road in which he got used like crazy. Not sure if a manager could have forseen that? Even Hudson over 3 isn't that bad to me when you can't predict road innings the last month and we don't know when road results will come in while we all try and get our home games in on time. That's why guys hold out there home series so long in the last month to control that. I should have done that. NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT JUST STATE MY CASE. I look forward to a ruling on Hoffman and Vasquez. And maybe some others as well. Thank you- Tom DM Dragons Here is the playoff file PLEASE get in cmi asap. I am sorry but the following players cant be used during the playoffs (# inside parentheses indicate the amount of overage): Des Moines: T.Hoffman (6.0) , J.Vazquez (2.1), J.Lackey (3.1) Howard: A.Guzman (8.1) L.V. : K.Johjima (5), M.Kemp (4), G.Dobbs (7), B.McCarthy (1.2) PEN: T.Hudson (3.0), A.Poreda (11.1) ROBERT Re: Overusage Discussion From: Bob Oak <[email protected]> To:[email protected], "[email protected]" [email protected] Cc:[email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Sent: Thu, Oct 21, 2010 01:37 AM do we really need a change of rules or a change in our own diligence? with a 40 man roster and the pitcher hitting 3 times per game.; seems like usage wouldnt be such an issue but I guess the schedule is going to get at least 1 or 2 teams every year . maybe we could ; rather than try to put a number on it (pa/inn) raise the % to 103 or so. I agree with uniform penalties only on another subject; the forming a lottery to address a thought of tanking by teams for a better draft position will penalaize the truly subpar team that tries to win but cannot because his team is so poor. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Overusage Discussion Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:17:23 GMT Jack I agree we should stick to current rules as I always have in the past). So I am asking how do we fix it from here on? Maybe change reporting rules or change so that there are no games in Oct, or divide last month into 2 reporting periods? Wish there was a way to get the game not too have most teams with either all home games or all rd games. Here is what the current rules state: 1. OVERUSAGE OF PLAYERS 11.4 Any franchise that has violated the player usage restrictions (overusage) will face the following penalties: a). Owners will lose draft pick for players that has exceeded their player usage level. The first occurrence will result in the loss of a last round draft pick. The second occurrence will result in the loss of a second-to-last round draft pick. Other occurrences will result in the loss of higher draft picks. b). At the end of each regular season interval, the Commissioner, or his designate will check the final statistics for each team. Players who have exceeded the league usage level will be immediately fined with correct draft pick. Such players may not be eligible for post-season play. c). Any franchise found to have violated the playing time restrictions could be disqualified from the post season. Things to consider for playoffs after 2010: I disagree that 20 PAs or 5 IP is a small is a small amount. I have Neftali Feliz with 31 IP and using that # his overage would be 20%! If we allow any over useage then # should be less. With Neftali I made sure he didn't go over rather than lose him for playoffs (had approx 6 ip left) by not using him until last month. Should someone be penalized by not using anyone with a chance of overuseage and leaving them off road games cmi and only playing them @ home (remember I only lost out on 1st place by 1 game)? I also sent out emails advising teams to do the same! I also send out emails that stated home teams should keep watch on road teams IP/PA and pull anyone as soon as their limits were reached. A few did but most didn't. I sent out more backup files this last month then all the other months combined (even sent to individual teams upon request)?? Not sure what else I can do??? Your help in this manner is needed and appreciated. Thanks, ROBERT ---------- Original Message ---------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected], [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Overusage Discussion Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:54:55 EDT Hi Overusage is either inadvertent or intentional. If it is a small amount - 5 innings, 20 PA who cares. If it is 150 PA appearances and gave the manager a better chance of winning to keep in the playoff hunt or losing to get a better draft pick - then yeah - we should determine a penalty. My team had one reliever who had 61 regular innings and was used 69 innings = 8 overused innings. I had 3 home games and 27 road games in the last month and had no control on his overusage. Should I be penalized? Why have 2 different sets of penalties? - playoff teams lose players, non-playoff teams lose draft picks. * It should be uniform penalty for all. * Instead of losing picks - teams that abuse overusage should probably be penalized by placement in the draft, not lose picks. A bad team needs picks. A good team doesn't want to giive up good plaayers for picks. *if there is a rule all ready in the constitution - live by it - now is not the time to ba making rules. Jack Howard - Hurricanes In a message dated 10/17/2010 5:18:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I was actually talking about 2/3 of an IP but if everyone likes John's ideas then we can go with this. Up to you guys through. As of now I still havent heard from Pit so check with him as even if Pit does stay I am sure someone will not be back next yr as there always are. ROBERT ---------- Original Message ---------- From: john arcieri <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: ref the 2010 season Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:44:45 -0700 (PDT) I agree if a player is over the 2 ip or 2 pa they should be lost for the playoffs since maybe without over useage that team might have not made the playoffs. As for draft picks all teams over should lose draft picks not just non-playoff teams. It should be if 1 player = 10th rounder, 2 players = 9th rounder, and so on up until a 4th rounder. All first year managers should be limited to only 3 non-carded players so they have to learn how to manage the useage rules. I do know a person looking at rejoining the league in Ray who was the purple manager a few years back. He has moved to Florida for health concerns for the wife and everything is going good for him now so if you need a manager for Pitt ray is available to take over a team. John (north bay) From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 4:02:35 PM Subject: Re: ref the 2010 season maybe u should try again?? Also what should we do about the over useage? I think playoff teams should lose those players for the playoffs (again if they are over .2 IP and over 2 PA). However draft picks for those not in playoffs (but are per current rules). Never have heard from PIT and have been told he was called and he felt picked so guessing not going to hear from him. Guess time to seek replacement. If replaced then no fines for PIT as always all penalties are vs managers not teams. I am going to leave it to you guys to decide. Also have playoff file ready but waiting to determine which players to delete ref useage problems. ROBERT ---------- Original Message ---------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: ref the 2010 season Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:29:51 EDT I understand the logic of avoiding any potential conflict of interest - but I would be satisfied with you or anyone auto-playing the games. I have sent Start Draft a message about getting the draft file as an excel file for I was unable to do it myself. I have not heard from them yet. I can print the draft and retype onto an excel spreadsheet if need be. Jack In a message dated 10/11/2010 2:08:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Yes the season is over for all but the playoff teams. There are still 2 teams unfinished Tides and Pit. However they are going to be autoplayed as never heard from PIT about his home games. Tides has big series w Howard for 1st place. I wont auto play those and didn't think it would be fair to Jack for me to play those games!!!! Therefore CARL is going to play the series Howard @ Tidewater, (mark has temp of 104 and cant play them still). Once that series is played then the rest of his games can be autoplayed. Pit has overuse issues and was hoping he would play them but again I todate have not heard from in a while. Attached is everything I have and if I heard from Pit then will gladly allow to finish games (just send to me as you complete each series and advise if going to complete ASAP. ROBERT ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Joe Brunetti <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Robert should I adjust CMs Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:44:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00) is the season over? When does trading start? Thanks, Joe Suffolk -----Original Message----- >From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Sent: Oct 1, 2010 1:08 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Robert should I adjust CMs > >you can if the teams want you too. If not you should note those player and >watch them while playing them during the game. AS soon as they reach their >PAs limit (down to 0 PAs) then pull from the game and send too the minors for >all remaining games. > >ROBERT > >---------- Original Message ---------- >From: john arcieri <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Robert should I adjust CMs >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:56:49 -0700 (PDT) > > I have 3 series left with Pitt, Ohio, and Buff. All 3 have serious usage >problems. Is it OK to demote a player who is almost overused or should I just >play the games? I will have them all to you by tomorrow. I also did notice >that many who are over carry to many prospect with low innings or ABs. Not >the >CM fault but not planning their useage enough. 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