On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Richard <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:42:14 -0700
> "J. Liles" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Richard <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello to the List on a gloriously sunny Saturday,
> > >
> > > I should be outside trimming hedges or fixing cracks in a concrete
> path,
> > > so I will make this brief.
> > > I have been trying to test the "non-mapping.py" mididings script from
> the
> > > wiki page; http://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/UsingMidiWithNon
> > >
> > > Success is mixed. I can make it work with a standalone non-mixer but
> not
> > > at all when used in an NSM session. The problem seems to be the correct
> > > identification of the OSC port used by non-mixer.
> > >
> > > Method 1: launch non-mixer from console
> > > The correct OSC port number appears immediately after the non-mixer
> > > sign-on. I copy this port number to the script and launch "mididings -f
> > > my_script". I use qjackctl to connect my Numark Total Control midi
> > > controller to mididings and the slider controls I have mapped produce
> the
> > > desired effects on the two Pan and Gain controls (as described in the
> > > example non-mapping.py script but using different CCs) in the mixer.
> > >
> > > Method 2: launch non-mixer from console with the --osc-port=nnnn option
> > > The expected OSC port number appears immediately after the non-mixer
> > > sign-on. I launch "mididings -f my_script" having configured the
> > > pre-selected port number. I use qjackctl to connect ... the rest is the
> > > same as above. OK so far.
> > >
> > > Method 3: Launch NSM from a console and choose my mididings test
> session
> > > (mixer as above and non-timeline connected so I can hear the results)
> > > The first step is to stop the NSM-Proxy controlling mididings because
> the
> > > configured OSC port number will not be correct. Next job is to examine
> the
> > > console output to find the sign-on message from non-mixer and its OSC
> port
> > > number report. Copy this port number to the mididings non-mapper.py
> script
> > > and launch it. Use qjackctl to connect my Numark Total Control midi
> > > controller to mididings (jackpatch may have done this already).
> Testing the
> > > operation of the midi controller slider controls shows that nothing is
> > > working.  Re-scrutinising the console output from the NSM session shows
> > > that there is a later reference to the non-mixer osc port, but it is a
> > > different port number. Stop/start Non-proxy to re-edit the
> non-mapper.py
> > > script and use this alternative port number and the results are the
> same -
> > > no result.
> > >
> > > The typical output in the console from NSM starts with
> > >
> > > The Non-Mixer 1.2.0  -- Copyright (c) 2008-2013 Jonathan Moore Liles
> > > OSC=osc.udp://Caldera6.local:13198/
> > >
> > > but then we get this:
> > > [non-mixer] Announcing to NSM
> > > [nsmd] Got announce from Non-Mixer
> > > [nsmd] Client was expected.
> > > [nsmd] Process has pid: 3881
> > > [nsmd] The client "Non-Mixer" at "osc.udp://192.168.1.89:14701/"
> informs
> > > us it's ready to receive commands.
> > >
> > > after a lot of LADSPA exploration from non-mixer and some connection
> > > fixing from jackpatch we eventually get a sort of confirmation of the
> first
> > > stated port number from non-timeline:
> > > [non-timeline] Got hello from NON peer Non-Mixer (1.2.0) @
> > > osc.udp://Caldera6.local:13198/ with ID "Non-Mixer.nQSGM"
> > >
> > > Sadly neither 13198 nor 14701 appear to be usable by non-mapper.py - I
> try
> > > both.
> > >
> > > Is there a good reason for having two identified OSC ports?
> > > Is it significant that the sign-on report uses the machine name and the
> > > later report from nsmd uses dotted quads?
> > >
> > > Any suggestions will be gratefully received (unless it is to go and
> trim
> > > the hedge:~)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard <[email protected]>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It's a little confusing because NM is using two OSC ports speaking two
> > different protocols. One for communication with NSM and another for
> > parameter control.
> >
> > Anyway, there's a much easier way to do what you want: use
> non-midi-mapper.
> > Just add it to an NSM session and then connect your controller to it, and
> > use the MIDI learning functionality in non-mixer to assign all your
> > controls. Non-midi-mapper does the translation between MIDI<->OSC is able
> > to deal with the dynamic OSC port non-mixer providers (by discovering it
> > through NSM).
>
> Thanks for the information, Jonathan. I had previously used
> Non-midi-mapper (nmm) in another test session because I had failed to get
> mididings to compile (a Boost version problem). I seem to recollect I had
> got nmm to work for one slider control so I am pretty sure I can go back
> and tackle it with more enthusiasm now.
>
> My memory has lost the details but I had pursued the mididings path partly
> on account of the wiki "recommendation" and partly because the
> documentation for Non-Midi-Mapper is brief, together with my almost total
> lack of understanding of the underlying technologies (OSC, midi CCs,
> control 'learning'). It left me thinking I would have a better chance of
> getting some use from the Numark controller if I tried the mididings script
> (dodged the Boost version number problem by using an earlier mididings).
>
> If I understand you correctly the two port numbers reported in the NSM
> session console BOTH refer to communications channels; one between NM and
> NSM and the other between NM and NT. Does that mean there is a third server
> port used by NM for parameter control which is not reported to the console?
> Don't worry, I will consult the source for the answer to that one ....
> maybe .... one day :~)
>

No, just two. The OSC::Signals protocol has multiple levels though, a lower
level accepting basic OSC messages and a higher level with the discoverable
signals with feedback etc. that Non-Timeline speaks.

Neither MIDI nor OSC are very user-friendly at all (obviously), what with
all the CC numbers, port numbers, message paths etc., which is why I
recommend going the mapper/learning route.

One tip: If you want to reuse that mapping, the best way to do so ATM is to
create a blank session with the stuff you plan to use (strips/plugins,
etc), do all the mapping/learning, then save that and use it as a template
for your real sessions via the NSM duplicate function.

You can transfer a mapping to an existing session, but you'd have to do it
by copying files around---there's no support for that in the GUI.








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> --
> Richard <[email protected]>
>
>
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