Hi All, There is of course a great deal of truth in Anthony's post, but notating hornpipes in 12/8 just doesn't do it for me. The 2:1 ratio is certainly a good guide. 3:1 feels more scottish to me.
The problem I found with Parnell's march in 6/8 is that when I see 3 quavers in a 6/8 rhythm I absolutely do not want to play them even. In a hornpipe, I believe the introduction of triplets is meant to smooth out the rhythm, for a while, in contrast to the "dotted 'n dashed uns" as Joe Hutton would call them. Stewart Hardy is also correct and this shows the difficulty in playing from music. AFAIK Northumbrian music has always been a semi-literate tradition. Tunes were noted down lest they be forgotten or as an aid to learning, but I dont think their was ever a great tradition of shepherds getting out their music stands in order to play. Barry On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Anthony Robb <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello both & all, > 12/8 is the most accurate way of getting the "Newcastle" (as James > Hill named it) hornpipe rhythm across (i.e. best for writing > the common hornpipe 2:1 note ratio). The dotted quaver/semiquaver > system gives a 3:1 ratio which is not accurate (as anyone who has > used a computer to play a common time hornpipe will have realised). > Stewart Hardy has pointed out many times that it all comes down to > seeing beyond the notes and using a trained mind to interpret them. > As he says, a traditional musician must look at the notes, recognise > the groove, sing the tune in their head and decide on decoration and > emphasis all at the same time in order that our imperfect > nomenclature can't do the nasty on us. > Anthony > > --- On Mon, 7/6/10, Gibbons, John <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Gibbons, John <[email protected]> > Subject: [NSP] Re: Parnell's March > To: "'John Dally'" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, 7 June, 2010, 18:08 > > I thought it was a march! > There isn't much to choose between how people play dotted 4/4, (as > in the duet book arrangement of this) and how they play 12/8 anyway. > If it has 4 beats in the bar, (strong-weak-strong-weak) and a good > bounce to the rhythm, it will sound right, however you spell it. > John > -----Original Message----- > From: [1][email protected] > [mailto:[2][email protected]] On Behalf Of John Dally > Sent: 07 June 2010 17:16 > To: [3][email protected] > Subject: [NSP] Parnell's March > "Parnell's March" NPS Bk 2, p.3: it's written out as a jig, but > isn't it really a hornpipe? > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. > http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] > 2. > http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] > 3. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 4. > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
