That's a great idea. Ill try that out.

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From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Backup Strategy with Tons-O-Directories


>From what I've seen it is something Inherent with DLT Drives When you write
small files to it the tape has to rewind to stay in the correct place
because sending small files you do not get a constant stream of Data. I
would suggest using NT/2000 backup to backup these directories, backing them
up to a Flat file (one Large File) and then backing it up to tape.

You should see your time improve greatly.




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From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:25 AM
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Heck yea they do! :)

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From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:24 AM
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Remember a lot of small files tend to take a lot longer to back up then
large files




Joshua Morgan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:22 AM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Backup Strategy with Tons-O-Directories


I have a similar situation. I have a server that has about 10,000 folders,
each with about 30 very small PDF files. It takes forever to backup.

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From: Ron Jameson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 6:39 AM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: Backup Strategy with Tons-O-Directories


All you backup optimizing experts out there here is a good one -

After finally getting a successful backup with a new Overland Ext. LTO drive
after dealing with a lot of problems with SCSI Timeouts (ended up switching
card to LSI Logic so as not to contend with onboard Adaptec), the time to
backup 21g was 7 hours.

WOW - Isn't that great?!?  Not really.  It sucks!!.  It only shaved 2 hours
from the DAT when in theory (best data stream and file size), it should
handle 50g in an hour.

Anyway, here is my problem/request for advise.

Server Config:

36g Ultra SCSI2, 5400 RPM connected to onboard Adaptec 78xx Asus MB, Twin
450mhz, 1g RAM, Win2k Server Overland Ext. LTO on LSI Logic SCSI Card 22g of
data is being backed up 750,000 files (mainly under 10mb and lots of small
files) 43,000 directories (yes, that is correct) Veritas Backup Exec 8.6
with server and exchange agents for remote servers.
Note:  My backup window is 11pm - 7am


Network config:

50 power users (accounting firm) on 10/100 3com NICS
(2) 48port 3com 10/100 switches
10/100 to the server from switch (needs improvement here including
segmentation)


The data is only live data - I have not even included the balance of the
server data, the email server, terminal server and web server which I have
agents installed to do over the wire backups.  What are admins doing in a
situation like this, to get the best backup speed in the shortest of times?

My thoughts are:

1) backup to a drive - then backup the second drive if the file copy does
not take too long.  May have to put the LTO on a different media server so
as not to drag down the data server.  Can 2 servers be connected to the same
external (via SCSI) storage system?

2) Get some 10k RPM drives and ghost the system to those to replace the 5400
ones (too bad the 15k do not come larger than 36g).

3) I have not tested agent speed on veritas, but does that optimize the data
more efficiently than backing up from the local drive?  If so, I should move
the LTO to another server and backup over the wire. Will have to verify net
speed.  Should the backup system be moved to its own segment via a Gig port.


Hope someone can advise on this nightmare.  Getting another LTO is not quite
the cost effective option.


Ron Jameson
James Hamlin Consulting



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