IMHO, backing up WS and POP is a waste of resources. There is good saying that goes "Anything worth saving is worth saving on the server" The money spent to backup workstations could easily be better allocated to things like VPN for remote Exchange and network access. Thus killing the need for POP at the same time.
-----Original Message----- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:43 AM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: Arguments against POP3 We have a central desktop backup system that ensures the machines are backedup. As for the waste of an Exchange CAL, we are currently migrating to Exchange. We have an Enterprise Agreement so the CAL is currently being "wasted" anyway. I would rather "waste" some Exchange CAL's to provide POP service to users than to maintain duplicate infrastructures. By keeping all the users on Exchange, when users begin to see what they are missing by not using Exchange, it is very simple to make the switch. Merely install Outlook and configure the profile. Everything else already exists. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Brasslett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:28 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: Arguments against POP3 How do you know those desktop backups are being done? Do you have a backup system in place that makes sure those backups at the desktop are working properly? What about the functionality of Exchange that is lost when delivering mail to the local machine? If they only use Exchange for sending and receiving email, then you have wasted an Exchange CAL IMHO. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:02 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: Arguments against POP3 I see no problem with users storing documents on their hard drives as long as they are adequately backed. However, PST files are impossible to backup if they are attached to Outlook. I fail to see the connection. There is the issue of single instance storage which is lost when storing files locally. This is off set by the ability to store email in a readable non-proprietary format. Many POP3 clients store email in the Unix mailbox format. This format is searchable with almost any text editor. If the desktop machine is adequately protected via backups, I see no problems with POP3 and very little information in the FAQ that addresses this issue. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Brasslett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:40 AM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: Arguments against POP3 Well, I think you are taking it too literally. While PST files themselves have some unique problems, the real basis as to why PST=BAD is that storing email on local storage systems is not good. This is not good for the same reasons why you would not have someone store their files on their hard drive... They should be stored on a file server. As such, email should be stored on an email server and not a local hard drive. IMAP4, while is not as good of a solution as OWA, is better than POP3 in that email folders can be stored on the server. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:26 AM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: Arguments against POP3 Perhaps I missed something. I see a chapter on why not to use .pst files, but nothing against using POP3. I dismissed the comment of POP3=Administor Slothfulness. I understand POP3=PST if you are using Outlook, but there are other email clients that support POP3 and do not use PST files. Dennis Depp -----Original Message----- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:17 AM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: Arguments against POP3 http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm -----Original Message----- From: Clishe, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:14 AM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: Arguments against POP3 Where is the Swynk Exchange list FAQ? I've been poking around the site and have not been able to find it. Searched for "FAQ" and for "POP3" and neither search turned up anything. Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:44 AM > To: NT 2000 Discussions > Subject: RE: Arguments against POP3 > > > Tony, > > The Swynk Exchange list has a whole chapter on WHY NOT TO USE POP3 in > their FAQ - built by people who know. In fact, I've used info from the > FAQ as grounds for supporting an argument many times... it is a great > place to get all the know-how. > > Bottom line - if you want to have backups (and effective ones at that) > of your company's mail, do not use POP3 for the client. They can/will > password protect them, rendering them useless; they can/will > accidentally delete their *.pst containing their history of mail and > come looking for the non-existent back up; etc, etc, etc. > > Exchange running SMTP is the only way to go as far as I am concerned - > even in the move from 5.5 to 2K. > > If I can help any more, I'm glad to. That's what I like about this > list - so many willing, intelligent, 'been there before' people that > are happy to share the info. > > My $0.02 (inc GST). > > themolk. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Valiantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 11:55 AM > > To: NT 2000 Discussions > > Subject: Arguments against POP3 > > > > > > We are migrating from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2000. 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