No its not. Of the ~600 employees I support, eliminate 100+ developers, 125+
customer support techs, another 75+ systems engineers, and a handful of
others...

Wow - I can lock down the 30 people in accounting and the 45 sales people.
Big whoopie.

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Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Kha Do [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:53 PM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: RE: Remote Admin shares
> 
> 
> You're correct.  I didn't clarify.  It's to install software 
> and to install local printers that we have these admin 
> rights.  Believe me I envy non-academic environments.  It's 
> easier to tell people what they can and cannot do.  And it's 
> a very big effort to understand and try to fix all the 
> special software these science professors install - when you 
> don't have admin rights it gets nearly impossible because 
> none of the software is Win2K logo'ed.
> 
> As for connect to a network printer, like I said - pulling 
> the "Everyone" group out of the "Access this computer from 
> the network" policy kills that.  Oh well, I guess I'll try 
> calling MS but it seems like no one knows how to help my 
> printing problem.
> 
> ASB - got any ideas?
> 
> ~Alex
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lum, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:43 PM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: RE: Remote Admin shares
> 
> 
> "Software software software" - you mean installs, right? You 
> don't need admin rights to share a local printer or files nor 
> to be able to connect to a network printer. I know I don't 
> understand you're particular situation and no offense, but 
> the price of everyone having local admin rights pretty much 
> eliminates your ability to protect the machines from anyone 
> except the most ignorant user.
> 
> I don't envy you guys in academics, Hara Kiri sounds like a 
> more pleasurable activity! "Here's your sword, eviscerate 
> yourself but don't bleed on the ground..."
> 
> Dave "Thank you, may I have another?" Lum - 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sr. Network Specialist - Textron 
> Financial 503-675-5510
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Kha Do [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 13:24 PM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: RE: Remote Admin shares
> 
> 
> That just happens to be our current policy.  Software, 
> software, software. Plus local printers.  No we are not 
> peer-to-peer.  I understand the "why do you want to have 
> everyone as local admins?" question, but a lot of people do 
> what we do.  Especially in academics.  We can't enforce 
> software standards as strongly as corporate offices can.
> 
> ~Alex
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lum, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:22 PM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: RE: Remote Admin shares
> 
> 
> The solution is not to make everyone a local admin of 
> everyone else's PC. Why would you need/want to do this? Are 
> you peer-to-peer? Even then you shouldn't need to do that.
> 
> Dave Lum - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sr. Network Specialist - Textron Financial
> 503-675-5510
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Kha Do [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:15 PM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: RE: Remote Admin shares
> 
> 
> Well here's the problem.
> 
> a) Users are local admins of EVERYONE's machines.  We used a 
> global group for this.
> 
> b) We found that of course they could connect to anyone's 
> hard drive through the C$ share.
> 
> c) We changed the group policy for "Access thes computer from 
> a network" to Domain admins rather than everyone.
> 
> d) Step c) solved our remote access problem but caused a new 
> one - no one could connect to a network printer.  When 
> someone tried to open the printer it said "Unable to open, 
> Access Denied."  I guess there is some kind of reverse access 
> permission needed when attaching to a network printer.
> 
> So basically I wanted to see if anyone has a solution for 
> this dilemma.  We need people to be local admins of their 
> machines, but we don't want them accessing other people's 
> machines.  It's impractical to make a specific person a local 
> admin on each specific machine - people and computers are too 
> portable.  And if we fix that problem, we can't print.
> 
> ~Alex
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Eytcheson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:47 AM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: RE: Remote Admin shares
> 
> 
> As long as the workstations don't need to share printers or 
> other file shares, you should be able to accomplish this by 
> revoking the "Access this computer from a network" rights for 
> everyone except Domain Admins. If you are using XP (maybe W2K 
> too), there is also an option to "Deny access to this 
> computer from the network" that you could add the Staff group into.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Kha Do [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:01 PM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: Remote Admin shares
> 
> 
> If someone is a local admin of a machine, is there a way to 
> restrict their ability to access the c$ share of the machine?
> 
> Our situation is such that we have a "staff" group which has 
> local admin rights to the standard workstations. Is there any 
> way to make it so that they cannot UNC to the C$ of their 
> coworkers' computers, but we can sitll get in as Domain Admins?
> 
> ~Alex
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