After I have seen your code snippet, the command \btxflushauthornormal
grabbed my attention. This command and its variations are indeed what
I was looking for. As I think the documentation doesn't mention these
advanced commands, I didn't even know they exist.
Thanks for sharing your discovery!
Agoston
Am Fr., 27. Aug. 2021 um 05:09 Uhr schrieb Joey McCollum via
ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>
> Nevermind, it looks like there's an even more deliberate and succinct way to
> handle this! In publ-ini.mkiv, the \currentbtxciteauthorbyfield command shows
> how to print the author field mapped according to the cite style:
>
> ```
> \unexpanded\def\currentbtxciteauthorbyfield
> {\begingroup
> %\setbtxparameterset\s!cite\s!author
> % the alternatives inherit from cite:author
> % and APA distinguishes authoryears from authoryear ("and" vs. "&")
> \setbtxparameterset\s!cite\currentbtxcitealternative
> \clf_btxauthor
> {\currentbtxdataset}%
> {\currentbtxtag}%
> {\currentbtxauthorfield}%
> {%
> combiner {\btxparameter\c!authorconversion}%
> kind {cite}%
> etallimit {\btxparameter\c!etallimit}%
> etaldisplay {\btxparameter\c!etaldisplay}%
> etaloption {\btxparameter\c!etaloption}%
> symbol {\btxparameter{\c!stopper:initials}}%
> }%
> \relax
> \endgroup}
> ```
>
> The snippet above might offer some guidance on how to handle this problem
> more generally, but for my specific use case, it suffices to invoke the
> \currentbtxciteauthorbyfield command:
>
> ```
> \doifelse {\currentbtxcitealternative} {entry} {
> % Normal order for in-text citations
> \currentbtxciteauthorbyfield
> } {
> % Inverted order for list citations
> % TODO: need to print the first name inverted, with all subsequent names
> in normal order
> \btxflush{author}
> }
> ```
>
> I get the feeling that there are more relevant commands in publ-ini.mkiv that
> are intended to help with this kind of thing, but I've just been unaware of
> most of them. The existing bibliography documentation only covers the tip of
> the iceberg!
>
> Anyway, I realized that a couple months ago, Ágoston Volcz raised a similar
> issue in another thread. I think this approach should solve that problem, so
> when I get a chance, I can send an e-mail about that.
>
> Joey
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 3:38 PM Joey McCollum <jmccollum20140...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, I've made some progress! Thankfully, the authorconversion rules can be
>> overridden using some of the methods defined in publ-ini.mkiv. I now have
>> something like this in my rendering's .mkvi file:
>>
>> ```
>> \doifelse {\currentbtxcitealternative} {entry} {
>> % Normal order for in-text citations
>> \btxflushauthornormal{author}
>> } {
>> % Inverted order for list citations
>> % TODO: need to print the first name inverted, with all subsequent names
>> in normal order
>> \btxflushauthorinverted{author}
>> }
>> ```
>>
>> This fixes the citation alternative-dependent authorconversion, but I still
>> have to do the same for the etallimit and etaldisplay settings, and
>> unfortunately, it doesn't look like there are similar commands for
>> overriding this locally.
>>
>> Digging a bit more in publ-imp-chicago.lua and publ-imp-chicago.mkvi, I
>> notice that it deals with a similar problem for the "editor" field: if the
>> editor occurs in the "author" position (i.e., at the start of the citation,
>> which happens when a book has an editor but no author), then the
>> authorconversion should be inverted, but if the editor occurs after the
>> author position (which happens when a book also has an author), then its
>> authorconversion should be normalshort. The publ-imp-chicago.lua file
>> addresses this by specifying an "ineditor" set containing only the "editor"
>> field (essentially making it an alias to be used later), and then
>> publ-imp-chicago.mkvi defines a style specifically for this field. I could
>> solve the authorconversion, etallimit, and etaldisplay problems using an
>> "entryauthor" field, but is this actually the recommended way to do this?
>> Using this approach, I would have to have duplicate sets for nearly all
>> "author"-type fields to ensure that they have different formatting in entry
>> citations than they do in the list.
>>
>> Joey
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 5:45 PM Joey McCollum <jmccollum20140...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to implement a custom bibliography rendering where in-text
>>> citations (specifically, citations with alternative=entry) are not
>>> identical to the entries in the bibliography list. Following a pattern I've
>>> seen in publ-imp-chicago.mkvi, I've been able to implement most of the
>>> features I'm interested in by using conditional formatting with a mode that
>>> is specifically set for citations with the "entry" alternative. I'd also
>>> like for author names in entry citations to be different author names in
>>> list entries, in the following ways:
>>>
>>> In entry citations, authorconversion should be normal, while in list
>>> entries, authorconversion should be inverted (more specifically, the first
>>> name should be inverted, while all subsequent names should be in normal
>>> order...but if this is too complicated, then it may be an issue for another
>>> e-mail thread, and we can just focus on normal vs. inverted for now).
>>> In entry citations, "et al." should be used for any names after the third
>>> name, while in list entries, all names should be printed in full.
>>>
>>> I thought that the following settings would work:
>>>
>>> \definebtx
>>> [sbl:\s!list]
>>> [sbl]
>>> [\c!otherstext=,
>>> \c!etallimit=,
>>> \c!etaldisplay=,
>>> \c!etaloption=,
>>> \c!authorconversion=inverted] % TODO: need to print the first name
>>> inverted, with all subsequent names in normal order
>>>
>>> \definebtx
>>> [sbl:\s!cite]
>>> [sbl]
>>> [\c!otherstext={\btxspace\btxlabeltext{others}}, % use et al. for
>>> truncated author / editor list
>>> \c!etallimit=3, % don't use et al. for 3 or fewer authors
>>> \c!etaldisplay=3, %
>>> \c!authorconversion=\v!normal] % by default, use normal name order for
>>> in-text citations
>>>
>>> But only the "list" settings seem to be used. I suspect this might be
>>> because the setup for "entry" citations invokes \btxhandleciteentry and
>>> therefore uses "list" settings everywhere except where I check modes for
>>> conditional formatting. But is there a command or environment I can use to
>>> change authorconversion locally, based on the current mode, in the helper
>>> methods I've defined for rendering bibliography entries?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Joey
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