I will look these suggestions over in the AM, Jack , being from Michigan State I cant believe you are not watching NHL playoffs at this moment-
I think the Video they do is from Adobe (not sure though) I will update this thread when I have the facts ( apps, users, licenses etc..) Jean-Paul Natola From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] 10Gbe & switches- feedback Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 02:59:37 +0000 Is the rendering server- or client-side? I think the bottleneck you're seeing with file opens is related to your file server's disk configuration (or other hardware config) but that doesn't necessarily mean much for renders. CAD renders aren't very disk intensive since it's just computing data in RAM. Video renders are more disk intensive but it's still not the most significant factor--video render speed tends to scale much more with CPU core count and RAM. That being said, I think your file server is underpowered for 30 users dealing with large video / CAD files. I would look at more spindles (at least the 8 you were looking at in that NAS, but probably even more) and maybe stepping up to 10,000 RPM Velociraptor SATA drives or 15k SAS drives. SSDs are also an option--you said you were only looking at 2 TB now, which is affordable in SSD (8x 512GB SSD would be about $4,000 and you could mount those in the NAS chassis). I think gigabit ethernet is sufficient speed otherwise, especially if you do link aggregation to your NAS or file servers. ---- Jack Kramer Manager of Information Technology Communications and Brand Strategy Michigan State University w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 On Jun 5, 2013, at 10:52 PM, J- P <[email protected]> wrote: would my other reply apply? "So would you just isolate the rendering to a separate (new device) and just leave all else as is? I honestly have no clue as to demands /requirements when it comes to rendering Maybe just a dedicated NAS and switch for rendering and CAD? " Jean-Paul Natola > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 19:50:28 -0700 > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] 10Gbe & switches- feedback > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > If it's disk speed you're after, it might be worth your while to use > smaller disks and double your disk count, if your cage will hold them. > > Kurt > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:37 PM, J- P <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > its being hit by approx 30 users , perc5 dell > > > > Jean-Paul Natola > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] 10Gbe & switches- feedback > > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 02:34:11 +0000 > > > > How many users simultaneously accessing those files, and how large are > > they? Software or hardware raid? How many CPUs / how much RAM on that file > > server? > > > > ---- > > Jack Kramer > > Manager of Information Technology > > Communications and Brand Strategy > > Michigan State University > > w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 > > > > On Jun 5, 2013, at 10:31 PM, J- P <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > win 2003 file server raid 10 4x 1tb sata II drives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jean-Paul Natola > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] 10Gbe & switches- feedback > > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 02:22:31 +0000 > > > > What kind of network storage / file server storage do you have now? That's > > more likely to be your bottleneck versus network speed. > > > > ---- > > Jack Kramer > > Manager of Information Technology > > Communications and Brand Strategy > > Michigan State University > > w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 > > > > On Jun 5, 2013, at 9:58 PM, J- P <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for the feedback, I will check with the video editors and see > > exactly what they are using and what licensing they have - will post back > > tomorrow- > > > > I also know that the CAD people sometimes complain about opening files, > > (Vectorworks), and I don't think its the PC's > > As I custom built them with quad core i-5, 16GB ram, and 256 SSD's win 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jean-Paul Natola > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] 10Gbe & switches- feedback > > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 01:46:37 +0000 > > > > I don't think 10GbE is in your budget. To give you an idea, with our 50%+ > > negotiated discount on Juniper equipment we pay over $6,000 for an EX2500 > > switch and about $70 per Twinax 10GbE cable. Each of those X520-DA2 cards > > (which are great, by the way--we have several) run something like $500 on Amazon. Not to mention with only 8 spindles in your NAS array (especially assuming SATA drives) you will be totally unable to saturate a 10GbE link with random I/O and will struggle to do so with sequential workloads. Even 1080p video won't saturate a gigabit link--you really only start to run into issues once you move up to 4k resolution. > > > > In your position, I would get some nice Gigabit switches and NAS(es) > > specifically for bulk file storage and use link aggregation to bond 2 or 4 > > ports per NAS. You may still want to investigate FC for video if your > > demand is growing, but be aware that you will be dropping at least $20k on a proper FC setup for video work once you look at software licensing. (Our AVID setup ran about $65k for a 32 TB Unity plus 4Gb Fibre Channel, Media Composer licenses, and FC interfaces for our 4 edit bays and 4 cut stations--not including Nitrous boxes.) Stick to local storage and Hyper-V 3 on your VM hosts so you can do live migrations without shared storage, as I don't think you can afford a NAS with fast enough disk to handle your virtualization workload (unless you build your own with SSDs, but remember--that gets you into the business of supporting storage now too). > > ---- > > Jack Kramer > > Manager of Information Technology > > Communications and Brand Strategy > > Michigan State University > > w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 > > > > On Jun 5, 2013, at 9:31 PM, J- P <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > The main thing that seems to bog down traffic is the rendering, and the the > > demand keeps increasing , > > "keep the HD version, make an ld version, make one avi, flv etc.." > > > > > > i was looking at something like this for the servers > > http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=430-4436&ef_id=UX@GSgAABcPKlAG5:20130606010945:s&dgc=ST&cid=262075&lid=4742361&acd=1230980794501410 > > > > currently have about 2tb of data, but potentially looking at 16-24 long > > term,and haven't really decided on NAS option yet- > > > > maybe something like this > > http://www.qnapworks.com/TS-869U-RP.asp > > > > > > Also potentially looking at clustering sql and going HA on Exchange, - > > > > just trying "future proof" since we are moving to a new location > > > > Hardware budget in the realm of 5-7 k give or take (without the 8 hard > > drives for NAS) > > > > PS: Nice to see you (ASB) "back in action" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jean-Paul Natola > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 21:04:30 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] 10Gbe & switches- feedback > > To: [email protected] > > > > I don't happen to see any need for 10Gbit with the workload you need to > > support. > > > > What kind of budget do you have? > > > > What kind of NAS are you getting (and how much storage?) > > > > Are you considering something like Cisco UCS or some other blade server > > chassis? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASB > > http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker > > Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for > > the SMB market… > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 2:49 PM, J- P <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Anyone? perhaps maybe a link > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [NTSysADM] 10Gbe & switches- feedback > > Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:28:50 -0400 > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > We are moving to a new location and figured may as well upgrade the > > infrastructure. > > We currently have 3COM 24 port switches from the late 90's, if I had to > > guess and its time to send them to rest. > > > > I have been reading and trying to get a solid feel for which way to go , > > and as always there is a plethora of data out there that says "Spf+ hands > > down" or CX4, or even cat6, > > > > Everyone seems the have "the perfect answer" and of course they all > > conflict. and I hope not to start a thread war on this list. > > > > > > Let me give a breakdown of what will be in play here > > > > Small office (< 50 users) > > PC's all gigabit > > Phones all megabit (VOIP) > > > > 6 servers; > > > > Exchange > > Citrix/ TS (Hyper-V) > > OwnCloud (Hyper-V) > > File Server > > Print Server > > SQL (all users connected 24x7) > > 2 DC's > > > > We are considering getting a NAS (10GB supported) > > > > The other heavy traffic will be from video rendering and CAD, we would like > > use something like backburner to spread the rendering, or maybe build a > > dedicated rendering server (still up in the air) > > > > all servers, switches, and possible NAS will be in the same cabinet, so > > distance is not a factor in terms of connecting to the switch, only the > > PC's will require runs greater than the 10 meters > > > > I would like also welcome any reccomendations on switches as too > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > >
