We all have our likes and dislikes of various UIs. Gnome 3 is growing on me. I 
suspect most of the rest of the people on this list would _hate_ it.
Microsoft did to the proactive thing with the "Modern UI". Nobody has ever 
claimed that they were behind the times. But there are a few fundamental things 
that makes it hard for some users. My example is how hard it is for 
non-technical users to log out. I had the same problem with Vista: The default 
action was either a power button or a lock button... which was horrible in a 
lab for 6th graders!
I'm looking forward to the updates to the interface for my non-touch computers.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


Erik Goldoff <[email protected]> , 4/8/2014 6:51 AM:
Classic "Who Moved My Cheese?" 

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote:
  And they have made improvements to it with 8.1 and are making more to it with 
8.1 update 1.  Evidently they will be making further options available later 
this year.  I will admit, I have a tablet.  Two of them they are slow and they 
are primarily media consumption devices but they give me long lasting, light 
weight, remote access options to my main desktop when on the move as both at 
home and work I use the desktop more (dual monitors too - Windows 8.1 at home 
and 7 at work though soon 8.1 there too ).
  
All that said I remember this same venom regarding the now venerated 'Fisher 
Price OS' that replaced Windows 2000.  I find it simply tragic that people use 
such violent imaginary about a changed UI and I quote , "I just hope someone at 
Microsoft will take the idiotic Metro interface out to the back shed and put a 
bullet in it."  Seriously, it's an OS UI.  One that can be overcome with an add 
on or simply ignored while one clings to Windows 7 for 10 more years.  
  
Half the people on this list were all about Microsoft has to change or Android 
will overcome them and they will die!  SO MS did something new and a large 
vocal part the people in this list got some tar, feathers, torches and a mob 
and started screaming KILL IT, KILL IT.  If I had money I would offer to start 
a fund for these people for some counseling to help them calm the heck down and 
provide measured feedback to Microsoft other then "put a bullet in it".
  
It's evident that MS did a thing in the technology sector that is known as 
'taking a risk'.  This risk has turned out some awesome things like a smaller, 
tighter more secure kernel, separation of the desktop from dotNet allowing for 
Server core deployments which are more useful, the same kernel in Windows 
Phone, desktop, server and Xbox One, better memory management, and even a new 
application system (Modern UI) etc.  Of course taking a risk is fraught with 
... risk.  In this case angry people who seem to have simply lost their minds 
about adapting or trying to leverage this new 'thing'.  Also, someone lost his 
job.  And it seems to perhaps have accelerated a leadership change which may be 
to the better (even though most of the stuff talked about at BUILD was 
obviously in the pipe for a while).  And MS is responding to this feedback on 
the interface.  Later this year, some form of the Start Menu appears slated to 
return so perhaps people can slowly start looking at Windows 8 this fall when 
it has the old familiar Mr Fluffy Bear that is the Start Menu (or at least a 
close cousin according to the screen shots).
  
End result, I understand some people have issues adapting to it without a touch 
screen.  I haven't and many people I know haven't but there are simply some 
people who seem to have completely lost it and attack any mention of it with 
violent, disturbing imagery and rage that is not conducive to constructive 
conversation.
  
Steven
 
 
 
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 21:30:22 -0400
> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Start Menu returns
 > To: [email protected]
> 
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote:
 > > I just adapted to the new UI design and used it.
> 
>   The "Start page" is great on a touchscreen, be it handheld, tablet,
> or touch desk.  But it is not well suited to a system without a
 > touchscreen.  There's plenty of those PCs out there.  On a large/multi
> monitor workstation setup, the displays are prolly never going to be
> touch -- they would not be comfortable to reach to if they were.  The
 > "Start page" also not great if you have a lot of icons/apps and need a
> hierarchy to organize them.  It is certainly still usable in such
> cases, but it's cumbersome and inefficient.
> 
 >   I wouldn't want to use the iOS or Android launchers in such cases, either.
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> 
           
 

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