Compare the $1000 desktop (yes - almost top-end off-the-shelf) with the power 
and cost of a 'large' IBM mainframe of 20 years ago -
Allowing for 7% annual deflation of money value and that's well under $300 in 
1990's money

Now consider you can get almost that much power and storage in a laptop! !!!

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] RE: move hdd with windows 7 on it

TTBOMK there are, for current OSEs, only two NTOSKRNLs for x86/x64. One 32-bit 
and one 64-bit. There are a few for ARM, depending upon the form-factor and 
processor, but those are OEM-only.

Today, even single physical socket processors tend to have 2/4/6/8 logical 
processors (cores).

(I walked through a local big-box retailer today. I was quite surprised at how 
much processing power you can get in a desktop for under USD 600!)

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Ben Scott
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] RE: move hdd with windows 7 on it

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Daniel Chenault <[email protected]> wrote:
> hal.dll exists on the installation media. ntoskrnl.exe is built at 
> install-time and is used by hal.dll to handle hardware. Re-installing 
> rebuilds ntoskrnl.exe, not hal.dll.

  I believe you are incorrect.

  There are several HAL files on the install media.  During OS installation, 
the selected HAL is copied to the target system, and renamed to "HAL.DLL".  (Or 
was -- it's been suggested that newer versions of Windows use the same HAL all 
the time, and that might be true.  I don't know.)

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/237556

  NTOSKRNL.EXE is the hardware *independent* part of the kernel (in theory).  
The HAL is the more hardware-dependent part.  The idea is/was that the same 
kernel can be used with different hardware variations.

  Now, it turned out that "hardware independent kernel" idea didn't quite fly 
in the real world.  As -sc points out, there is overhead to supporting multiple 
processors, and on a single processor system, one can avoid all that.  So there 
are multiprocessor and uniprocessor flavors.

  Then, when PAE came along, there also needed to be variants for the new 
36-bit hardware addresses, as well as the standard 32-bit hardware addresses 
the i386 introduced.

  These four variants are named, on the install media, NTOSKRNL.EXE, 
NTKRNLMP.EXE, NTKRNLPA.EXE, and NTKRPAMP.EXE.  During OS install, the 
appropriate file is copied to the target system, and renamed to NTOSKRNL.EXE if 
needed.

  The files are not built in the field; they're built (compiled and
linked) by Microsoft with the rest of Windows.

  The stuff on kernel file variants isn't well documented by Microsoft, but is 
mentioned in passing here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/162804

  This Wikipedia article discusses it more, but much of it is unsourced, so 
YMMV:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntoskrnl

  I imagine that these days, Microsoft might be just be shipping a single 
kernel that assumes multiprocessor and 36-bit (or 64-bit) hardware addresses.  
That might also explain why the documentation is scarce.

> So my wording was wrong but the end result is the same.

  I have to say it appears to me that your understanding is incorrect.  Sorry.

-- Ben





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