Right,
I fetched the doc as per Michael, but the part I am still confused about is 
your second sentence.
So if an unauthenticated user via a non-Windows kiosk accesses the site for 
which no windows
based auth is setup, but application level authentication, then they do or 
don't need a cal?

Also, if the app brokers auth to a DC, that is IIS itself does not perform 
authentication but
our app takes forms based credentials and validates them against a DC, does 
this count as
windows auth and therefor *all* users under any circumstance then need a cal?

Thanks for the help guys,
jlc

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: IIS and cals

If you are using Windows Server 2008 (or later), then anonymous (at the HTTP 
layer) connections do not require a CAL (e.g. you can have a HTML forms based 
authentication mechanism). Only if users are accessing across your LAN do you 
need CALs.

Authenticated users at the HTTP layer (i.e. using Windows credentials, or certs 
mapped to Windows users) require user/device CALs.

>From the latest PUR (same terms can be found in earlier docs) - Web Workloads 
>are:

Web Workloads (also referred to as "Internet Web Solutions") are publicly 
accessible and consist solely of web pages, websites, web applications, web 
services, and/or POP3 mail serving. For clarity, access to content, 
information, and applications served by the software within an Internet Web 
Solution is not limited to your or your affiliates' employees.
Software in Internet Web Solutions is used to run:
*       web server software (for example, Microsoft Internet Information 
Services), and management or security agents (for example, the System Center 
Operations Manager agent).
*       database engine software (for example, Microsoft SQL Server) solely to 
support Internet Web Solutions.
*       the Domain Name System (DNS) service to provide resolution of Internet 
names to IP addresses as long as that is not the sole function of that instance 
of the software.

These don't require CALs.

Cheers
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2014 7:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: IIS and cals

It's complicated.

They are referring to something called external connectors - and those have 
always been there. But it depends on a lot of things, the version and edition 
of windows server, the version and edition of sql server, the version and 
edition of sharepoint...

Generally speaking, the customer is correct, you need a CAL. However, there are 
still many use cases where you do not need a CAL.

These things are described in boring detail in the Purchase Use Rights 
document. Go to Microsoft.com/licensing and search for the current PUR. Have 
lots of caffeine sitting beside you.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Joseph L. Casale
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 3:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [NTSysADM] IIS and cals


A customer at my day job suggests MS changed the CAL licensing for IIS from the 
original requirement that a connection authenticated as a windows user requires 
a CAL, to any connection now requires a CAL?

I don't see any corroborating support for that, anyone know anything about this?

Thanks!
jlc








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