"It'd suck to be number 11." No....
What would REALLY suck would be if you and I were conspiring in a ruse to pwn the people on this list using a malicious html file that passes right through normal AV scanning like Stu was warning about a week or two ago. I wonder how many people have already opened it on their primary machines? (I can hear the cursing in my general direction now, from certain long time members who are now second-guessing everything they just did....) :) Seriously - thanks for sharing! Jonathan From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Ress Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: HTML FILE ATTACHED: RE: THREAD HIJACK! [NTSysADM] Windows 10 upgrades There isn't really anything confidential in this, just not pertinent outside our environment. But it should serve as a useful start. Since I was just mentioning Sharefile... I haven't used it in this way before ("allow anonymous"), we usually require some kind of authentication. So we may run into a glitch, but let's see. At this point, I specified that the file sit on the service for a year, and allow a max of 10 downloads per person. Not sure how the 'per person' piece works if I select 'anonymous'. First 10 downloads only (in total)? It'd suck to be number 11. :) If you run into a problem you can get me off-list @ [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Frank ShareFile Attachments Title Size Upgrade from Windows 7 or 8 to Windows 10.docx 885 KB Download Attachments<https://GTI.sharefile.com/d/s08a27c48d3542a5a> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Raper Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 10:54 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: THREAD HIJACK! [NTSysADM] Windows 10 upgrades Frank - That is an excellent writeup! "We put together about a 10-page how-to and encouraged our end-users to tackle it themselves, if they're game" Any chance you'd be willing (if allowed) to share this with the group? Thanks, Jonathan From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Ress Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 11:13 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: THREAD HIJACK! [NTSysADM] Windows 10 upgrades We've completed nearly 200 upgrades in our offices, including some Surface Pro 3s (and I upgraded my personal SP3 as well). Other than the Surfaces, all are Dell laptops and desktops, LOTS of different models, some as much as 6 years old or older. I'd say 95%+ are pretty routine. We put together about a 10-page how-to and encouraged our end-users to tackle it themselves, if they're game. That's been both successful and a time-saver for us (2 IT staff trying to get as much done by July 29 as we can). The non-routine have been a mixed bag. Some required tracking down error codes from the infamous 'Something happened' windows. Others rolled back after incomplete attempts. I will say that we haven't had the upgrade - ever, so far - leave a machine in a totally unusable state. It either succeeds or rolls back reliably. We have had one or two where we had to say 'save nothing' and reinstall after the upgrade. But that's decidedly the exception. Most of the time, we upgrade, create a shortcut to IE on the taskbar, change a couple of defaults (browser and .pdf association), and our user is ready to roll. Many Office, Visio, Project installs will want to re-activate after the upgrade. Make sure you have your keys on hand (or be prepared to dig them out again) before the trial period expires. Not necessary in all cases, but a word of caution. You may find machines a bit wonky immediately afterward, updates will tend to help (and M$ has been improving the upgrade itself, so this is less noticeable now than shortly after the release last summer). Some drivers may be problematic, and apparently video cards are one of the major problems in that regard. You have a couple more months to do some homework if that concerns you, but remember that you can revert to 7 or 8, too, if need be. I can't offer too much perspective on the success of that, not something we've done. The updates ARE more aggressive in Win 10, and while there are downsides to that, I'm in favor of it overall. The majority of users really aren't able to manage the details, and it's probably better for M$ to do it for them. If you're in an Enterprise environment, you do have the ability to exercise more control, but we haven't chosen to pursue that. Also, be aware that actual Windows 10 upgrades will be released as updates (essentially a new release of 10 applied to an existing 10), and if you're not prepared, you could be in for more than the typical wait for a reboot. The other complaint about the more aggressive upgrades is that they may occur at inconvenient times (like in the middle of your presentation). I'd suggest checking for updates before you get into something time-critical (and I know that's not something that should be taken likely). Overall, I like this version of Windows (though I was good with 8.1, too - I thought the drama over that release was way overblown). Last I heard, M$ was taking a $2-3B loss by giving this away to current Win 7 and 8 users. Give 'em some credit - they may be a bit aggressive trying to give even more away, but I think we should cut them some slack on that. It really is a good thing, on balance. HTH Frank Ress (speaking for myself) Manager, IT Operations Gas Technology Institute From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Bartley Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 9:04 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: THREAD HIJACK! [NTSysADM] Windows 10 upgrades I've done several at home and work. Most have gone well other than the time it takes. However, I have found Dell and Lenovo laptops can be a nightmare depending on the model. Particularly with the Wifi adapter. Another one that was upgraded periodically loses the ability for any browser to access the Internet. The browsers will still work on the Intranet. A reboot fixes it, but who wants to reboot every couple of days. Not as clean as all the upgrades I did for Win 7 originally. I also really don't like the changes to windows update in Win 10. As an IT professional, I really don't like being forced all updates that are available with no option to pick and choose based on issues and feedback. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kennedy, Jim Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 09:39 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: THREAD HIJACK! [NTSysADM] Windows 10 upgrades Had zero problems with in place upgrades. Three of mine, and a fair number of friends and co-workers have had the same experience. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Raper Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 9:27 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: THREAD HIJACK! [NTSysADM] Windows 10 upgrades Speaking of Win 10 upgrades.... I'll preface this question by saying I am almost a luddite at home. If I didn't have to feed my family, I would be a sailing instructor or lawnmower engine repair guy for a living.... How has it gone for all of you who have upgraded an existing build from say Win 7 Pro to Win 10 in place? I know this is the preferred/supported path per Microsoft, but I have NEVER been a fan of in-place upgrades... (GET OFF MY LAWN!).... I've got several Win 7 Pro systems at home that I disabled the win 10 notifications, though I plan to upgrade them and was wondering just how much of a pain or success it has been. Yes, I know, Win 10 has 5,000 bazillion users now, but I'd like to hear from some fellow engineers....who have to be the Help Desk for their families.... Thanks! Jonathan From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Micheal Espinola Jr Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 6:09 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Windows 10 upgrades I've successfully and happily upgraded my own systems to Windows 10 - but holy crap is this disgusting. What a way to destroy any good will and trust. As James pointed out, this is a great way to get people to completely disable updates again. -- Espi On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Melvin Backus <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Given the folks on the list many of you may already know this but I just ran across this. I'm guessing that's exactly how all these "I told it no but it still upgraded" events are happening. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-upgrade-app-breaks-microsofts-own-guidelines/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=23118994024572394746988385873151 -------------------- Melvin Backus | Sr. Systems Engineer | Byers Engineering Company | 404.497.1565<tel:404.497.1565> Service Desk | 404-497-1599<tel:404-497-1599> | https://servicedesk.byers.com -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. 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