Title: RE: Kinda OT, kinda not I guess!
Well, with the HP, in addition to toner, you have to buy drums, fuser kits and transfer kits. These are not cheap, and our own staff have to change them (a hidden cost...). With the copier, we pay a per copy charge which covers maintenance, support, and consumables other than toner. This cost is less than our rough calculation of the cost of the non-toner costs of running the HP, and the toner is also cheaper (I don't have figures for that, as I don't deal with buying consumables these days).
 
The only thing our staff have to change is toner, which is definitely a Good Thing. The innards of the HP get very messy over time, and changing parts is not a pleasant job (not that I do it myself, but I'm being nice to users this week[1]).
 
The improved speed and paper handling are also useful - and the print quality is in a different class altogether. Add the onboard Firey RIP, which (amongst other things) allows documents to be stored on the printer and reprinted on demand without having to re-render them, and you have a very nice package.
 
 
[1] I'll probably get over it soon[2]
[2] Hi Sherry!
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Kinda OT, kinda not I guess!

When you guys are talking "cheaper to run", do you mean lower toner cost, no print drum to replace, no fuser kits?  Things like that?
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Bessant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Kinda OT, kinda not I guess!

Indeed. We have an HP 4500. Not bad, but not fast enough for the surges of demand we get.
 
We now have a Toshiba 15i. The print quality is superb, and it really does produce 15 prints per minute. Expensive to buy, but cheaper to run than the HP....
 

Les Bessant mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Kinda OT, kinda not I guess!

I've got an HP 8500 - runs ok, seems kinda expensive to run, although I guess that's relative. 

Frankly, if the volume was high I'd be looking into a networked color copier.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 6:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Kinda OT, kinda not I guess!


I'd like to look into getting a new color printer for our office.  We
currently use an HP Color Laserjet 5.  I won't bore you with my opinions of
this printer.  Any fast, high quality color printers anyone can recommend?

Eric


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