Well said Kevin !
All I can say is *.csc.com = /dev/null
Mike
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From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2000
Woooo dude.. Settle down there cowboy. You just bad mouthed one of the
best guys we have on this list.
As far as myself being an ECNE and a MCSE having used GroupWise, Lnotes,
and exchange, the Microsoft product is far superior. Not on only in
function but in support. Ever seen a forum like this for a NetWare
product? Or the extensive online knowledge base?
I fond it very difficult to not lash out at you in anger and destroy
your entire network, then show this message to your bosses and have you
fired. Your message and opinions should be kept to your self, we here
do not want to hear them.
Thanks. BTW you owe William an apology, a very well written formal,
publicly posted one.
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2000
Billyboy-
I did a little research on Holaday before I posted my comments.
They have 100 employees in the heart of Minnesota, they manufacture
printed circuit boards, and their web page was created using Microsoft
Frontpage 4.0. I understand where your frustrated comments are coming
from, because I understand where YOU are coming from as a systems
administrator. However, I find it very difficult to take advice from
someone whos very existence is dependant upon the particular company
whose software they're pushing. In the high-glamour world of MCSEs, the
"needs or potential email usage patterns" speech sounds great. In the
real world, assumptions are made, budgets are undercut, and profits
increase. This, Billy, is called business. And business is why you
wake up in the morning. Now to someone with all those acronyms after
their name, this might not make sense. You are also going to have to
understand that whoever is in charge of the IT budget at this company is
not about to shell out money for a new server to run Exchange when they
can use the old one to run Domino.
As to the "people" who prefer Outlook over Lotus Notes...where do I
begin? I suppose I must start, again, with the acronyms following your
name. Billy, if you had a Novell Certification, you'd be ranting and
raving about Groupwise. Just because you went to 236 classes, read the
whitepages, AND subscribe to TechNet does not mean that Exchange
provides the best of anything. It just means that your job DEPENDS on
it.
"Lefkovics, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/07/2001 12:14:46
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How can you suggest that those hardware specs would be good for 100
users without knowing their company's needs or potential email usage
patterns? Your word: "perfect". Potentially adequate might be better.
WindowsXP is an excellent desktop for the business environment. The
additional features from Windows2000 do not provide a huge step, but
things like remote desktop built-in and the added commandline functions
work very well for some. That and Windows2000 will not be available OEM
anymore, I would suggest you get used to the idea of the activation
feature, which is totally painless in the corporate environment. More
painless than Oracle, Computer Associates, and the pre-XP Metaframe
registration requirements.
As for your recommendation of Lotus Domino... if that's what you're used
to. I just completed another migration from Lotus to Exchange and yet
another customer wonders why the hell they stuck with Lotus so long.
Outlook provides the best email client interface available. I've had
clients prefer Outlook as their Lotus Domino email client!
Lotus used to have the largest market share for collaborative messaging
applications. They don't anymore. Can you guess who does?
Exploring your options is very good. "Best tool for the job"
definitely. So, do they need the collaborative functionality, or would
PostFix on OpenBSD or Sendmail on Linux for free be adequate?
William Lefkovics
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange 2000
Before you implement anything Exchange, I think it is in your best
interest, (as in that of your company, users, and IT staff) to look into
alternative E-mail platforms. My first suggestion would be Lotus
Domino. Their server software is more stable, easier to administer, and
MORE SECURE than any of the competetion I have seen. Also, the
functionality of the client software is far superior to anything e-mail
coming out of Redmond, WA. If your server that you mentioned is now
idle and will be performing ONLY email functionality, that is perfect
for 100 users, and I would bet you could squeeze in another 100. My
suggestion for hard-disk space is a mirrored system volume (2 disks).
For the data, I would suggest allocation 100 meg for each user. Disk
space is cheap, eat it up. Running 4 10 gig drives RAID5 would be a
beautiful thing. Buy 2 extra, just in case. I would also recommend, if
you want to upgrade desktops, to go with Windows 2000. Upgrading,
loading, installing, whatever you want to call it, WinXP
could turn out to be a nightmare. Especially with Microsoft's new
Product
Activation "feature". In a business environment, there is no reason, as
far as I have seen, to put WinXP on the desktop. Windows 2000 has
proven itself to me to be an adequate choice for end use. I must stress
again the importance of exploring your options. Just because your OS
says Microsoft on it doesn't mean your Backend product has to.
Nathan W.
Jim Mediger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/07/2001 09:03:02 AM
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We are looking at implementing Exchange 2000 and I have a few questions,
and wanted advice from people who have had real world experience. We
are currently running NT 4.0 Svr and Wkstn. I have setup a Windows 2000
Domain (still in testing phase). We have about 100 users.
My Questions:
1. I have a PII with 2 300mhz processors and 384mb ram. Will this be
ample enough to handle Exchange 2000 and future growth? How much Hard
Drive space would you recomend?
2. We plan on Going from NT 4.0 to Windows XP. Can we connect to
Exchange 2000 with the NT 4.0 Clients during the interim? Any issues I
should be aware of? Any issues with WXP?
3. We have 50-60 users on Outlook 2002 with internet access etc., and
40-50 users on other clients (internal e-mail and intranet only). Does
Exchange play well with other e-mail clients?
4. Any other Gottcha's, Do's, Don'ts? All advice will be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim
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