Well said Chris. Just something to think about... Let's say we go with a
National ID Card. It's all set up with the latest tech, so the computer
chip has my medical history, financial status, etc... When I go to the
store, I have to swipe it to purchase something (even if I use cash). 6
Months later, in the name of security, the IRS starts tracking my income &
expenses & automagically debits my taxes from my checking account. 6 months
after that, the FBI starts traking my purchases because I might buy
something like amonium nitrate....
This picture is purposefully built up and unrealistic, but in reality, how
far from the realm of possiblity is it? I'm not fear mongering, just trying
to provoke thought. Governments have taken things in the name of national
security for a whole lot less. As Chris pointed out, once taken, it's
almost impossible to get back. Inconvience is one thing, loss of liberity
is another. When you see things like this look a few years down the line &
figure out where it's going or could go & talk to your Representatives &
Senators. Your vote does count only if you use it, your voice is only heard
if you speak (to your reps) in letters or e-mail. Note that letters are
more effective by the way.
-----Original Message-----
From: Marr, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e
It is a very scary thing to be willing to give away any of our civil rights.
Freedom is a very fragile thing and once taken requires a revolution to get
it back.
I agree that we need to do something but history shows that government tends
to get more restrictive not less.
We could justify all sorts of infringments how about police roadblocks every
2 city blocks that requires you to show id and have papers giving you the
right to travel to the local grocery store? That would sure put a stop to a
whole lot of crime including terrorism. But are we willing to go to that
extent? Obviously we would not but I ask you why we would not. After all if
I had nothing to hide then I should have no problem with a little
inconvience if it means no crime. Of course the criminal would still find a
way to do his/her thing but we will just overlook that fact.
My point is simply that I agree that we need to do something but it is a
very scary thing to be willing to give up freedom for any reason.
Just my $.02 worth (take it or leave it)
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
Here here!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to
protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What are
they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use benign
e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While I don't
like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary for our
National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had something to
hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe, just maybe, if we
had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people, some of which may have
even been on this list, would still be with us. It's a dangerous world out
there, which requires unpleasant measures. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
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