The model I wear is made of 12oz cotton duck, very nice and sturdy, will wear just like Carhartts or the like.
Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:47, Heaton, Joseph@DFG <[email protected]> wrote: > That's a lot of money for one item of clothing, though... > > Joe Heaton > ITB – Windows Server Support > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:03 PM > To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! > > What MBS said - however, I do still stand out from the crowd, because it's > not all *that* common. For instance, nobody at work besides me has worn one. > > It's still very common that I go to a public venue and get comments from > folks - always approving and complimentary - regarding how cool it is that > I'm so "brave" and "daring" to wear one. This after wearing it full time for > over six years. > > Some question my wearing one during the winter, but given the weather here > it's really not a problem, as I don't spend hours upon hours outside during > really cold weather - the typical trip is between vehicle and building.. > > Oddly, it's mostly women complimenting me on the the look, and often sighing > about how they want to get their male friends to wear one. > > Kurt > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01, Maglinger, Paul <[email protected]> wrote: >> Just curious. We don't see many kilts here in Southern Indiana, and then >> usually just at formal occasions. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:40 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! >> >> Well, not to bed, nor while bathing, and not when I'm getting up on my >> roof to clean the gutters, but other than that, yeah, all the time... >> >> Kurt >> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 06:37, Maglinger, Paul <[email protected]> wrote: >>> All the time? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 4:16 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! >>> >>> I wear a kilt, so I'm pretty much exempt from your amendments - >>> especially the first one... >>> >>> Heh. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:57, Sam Cayze <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Or at my company: If it passes electrons, requires a ladder, or involves >>>> getting dirty, it's yours. >>>> >>>> I used to be in carpentry so I'm OK with it though. I like the >>>> surprise tasks :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 1:52 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! >>>> >>>> Simpler: >>>> >>>> "If it passes electrons, it's yours." >>>> >>>> As opposed to IT Generalist: >>>> >>>> "If it passes electrons or whines when frustrated, it's yours." >>>> >>>> Kurt >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:49, Don Kuhlman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Long but here's a snip of the description... >>>>> >>>>> Job Summary >>>>> The primary role of the temporary Production Infrastructure >>>>> Specialist is the support of production infrastructure systems >>>>> across multiple operating units within the business. This includes >>>>> client-facing application servers, local fileservers/storage, and >>>>> management of the local data centers. In addition to daily support >>>>> of systems this role will undertake two long-term >>>>> projects: 1. Coordinate migration of production servers from local >>>>> Active-Directory to company Corporate Active Directory 2. Organize >>>>> data archives and research/implement a modern, replacement archiving >>>>> system. >>>>> Job Responsibilities >>>>> • Address daily support tickets regarding end-user permissions and >>>>> file archiving and restores from nearline archive and >>>>> disaster-recovery backup systems • Re-architect the file archive >>>>> systems to make them more efficient, functional, easier to manage, >>>>> and organized, replacing the current system if necessary • >>>>> Coordinate the migration from a local Active Directory into the >>>>> company global Active directory for all employee-facing systems • >>>>> Assist senior Infrastructure Administrator with client facing and >>>>> production infrastructure systems and services, ensuring both >>>>> operating at an optimal level, with high availability and recoverability. >>>>> • Works independently toward goals and objectives seeks additional >>>>> review on unusual assignments. >>>>> • Solves complex problems and conducts analysis of the costs and >>>>> benefits of modifying procedures increase effectiveness of a department. >>>>> • Develops cross-work group partnerships and initiates new and >>>>> productive internal and external alliances. >>>>> • Extensive technical expertise and knowledge of other related >>>>> business disciplines/processes. >>>>> >>>>> Qualifications / Requirements >>>>> ServerSupport: >>>>> · Due to extensive use of Red Hat Enterprise Linux on production >>>>> servers, a strong background in Linux server administration is required. >>>>> · General Server Support: Level 1 & 2 Windows, Unix/Linux, Mac OS X >>>>> Server Support (Rack Servers, IBM, Dell, Apple, Cisco, Configure >>>>> Shares & Security) · Level 1 & 2 VMWare Support (vSphere 5 >>>>> Enterprise, vCenter Server 5) experience preferred SAN Support: >>>>> · Strong familiarity with enterprise data archiving systems and >>>>> disaster recovery backup systems. uses Flashnet for data archive >>>>> and Commvault for Disaster Recovery backups · Level 1 & 2 SAN >>>>> Storage Support (EMC CX300, EMC AX100, IBM N3400 · Level 1 & 2 >>>>> Fibre Channel Switch Support (Cisco MDS 9134, McData ) Directory Service >>>>> Support: >>>>> · Level 1 & 2 Active Directory Support · Create Accounts and Set >>>>> Permissions >>>>> >>>>> Personal Performance Factors >>>>> · Integrity/Ethics - deals with others in a straightforward and >>>>> honest manner, is accountable for actions, maintains >>>>> confidentiality, supports company values, and conveys good news and bad. >>>>> · Perseverance - targets and achieves results, sets challenging >>>>> goals, prioritizes tasks, overcomes obstacles, accepts >>>>> accountability, sets team standards and responsibilities, provides >>>>> leadership/motivation. >>>>> · Adaptability/Flexibility - Adapts to change, is open to new >>>>> ideas, takes on new responsibilities, handles pressure, and adjusts >>>>> plans to meet changing needs. >>>>> · Teamwork - Meets all team deadlines and responsibilities, >>>>> listens to others and values opinions, helps team leader to meet >>>>> goals, welcomes newcomers and promotes a team atmosphere. >>>>> · Initiative - Tackles problems and takes independent action, >>>>> seeks out new responsibilities, acts on opportunities, generates >>>>> new ideas, practices self-development. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: David Lum <[email protected]> >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 11:51 AM >>>>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >>>>> >>>>> Define infrastructure specialist.. >>>>> >>>>> From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:47 AM >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >>>>> >>>>> Very well put on both. >>>>> >>>>> So, not to hijack the thread, but speaking of wages, does 40 - 43 >>>>> per hour sound reasonable in the Midwest for a 2nd level infrastructure >>>>> specialist ? >>>>> Assuming if you're placed through a staffing firm, they are >>>>> charging double that and paying the person half the client rate. >>>>> >>>>> As Paul said, it seems like there are wage adjustments in effect >>>>> from what was paid in the past. >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: "Maglinger, Paul" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:29 AM >>>>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >>>>> >>>>> One other thing that I think we may see is adjustments in wages. >>>>> Starting positions may not offer the same wages as they did in the >>>>> past in an attempt for companies to lower costs. I also see what I >>>>> perceive as attempts by OEMs to woo companies to outsource more and >>>>> more services to them (such as >>>>> HP) rather than encourage companies to have well-trained engineers. >>>>> Of course if you pay peanuts you're still going to get monkeys, >>>>> unless someone can't afford to eat anything else. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:59 AM >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >>>>> >>>>> That was well put, Ken. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:39 PM >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >>>>> >>>>> I think our opinions are coloured by our industry and in particular >>>>> working in (small scale) systems administrator, which is more of a >>>>> trade than a profession. >>>>> >>>>> For many other professions: civil engineering, medicine, accounting >>>>> - there is no way you'd get anywhere in most countries without a degree. >>>>> There is simply too much established theory in those fields that >>>>> you just have to know in order to be useful. Systems engineering >>>>> might be a bit different because basic theory and principles are >>>>> not as well established. Software and electrical engineering are >>>>> perhaps more established, and there are many algorithms, principles >>>>> and methodologies (like lifecycle management, project >>>>> management) etc that a structured course such as a degree can help you >>>>> with. >>>>> >>>>> That said, systems engineering will change to. Organisations >>>>> (starting with the biggest, but I suspect it'll eventually make its >>>>> way down to the smaller >>>>> ones) are looking for structured, repeatable, predictable delivery. >>>>> They outsource. They get x service for $y within z minutes/hours/days. >>>>> And the companies that provide it (HP/EDS, CSC, IBM, Satyam, Wipro, >>>>> etc.) all have regulated processes, backed by technologies >>>>> (invariably built upon ITIL at the moment). If you want to get >>>>> ahead in this type of world, there'll have to be some theory that >>>>> you need to learn, because deep technical skills are for >>>>> architecture/design/implementation, and not operations (except for >>>>> those in high severity incident management). Operations is about >>>>> following processes, managing expectations, and executing >>>>> structured/tested change requests. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Ken >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Mathew Shember [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 3:57 AM >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >>>>> >>>>> Indeed. >>>>> >>>>> Certs and degrees are used by people who aren't technical and don't >>>>> know what to ask let alone evaluate. >>>>> >>>>> I have seen talent from prestigious schools and I have seen >>>>> lunkheads from prestigious schools. >>>>> >>>>> The universities were setting rather high expectations however. A >>>>> friend used to handle the college new hires and he said he had to >>>>> talk a few off the ledge because they weren't VPs inside of 6 months. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Mathew >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Ben Scott [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:31 AM >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >>>>> >>>>> In my personal experience, I haven't seen any correlation between >>>>> any degree/certification and actual aptitude/knowledge/value. >>>>> They're certainly not less likely, but don't appear to be significantly >>>>> more, either. >>>>> >>>>> I have, however, seen correlation between degree/certification >>>>> and hiring/pay. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect this is mainly because it's easier to quantify. "Does >>>>> he have a degree?" is an easier question to answer than "How good is he?" >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Brown >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Those are some seriously sour grapes you are sucking on. I had a >>>>>> boss who said it this way, "the degree proves he/she can finish >>>>>> something". >>>>>> There are no guarantees that anyone is a good or outstanding >>>>>> employee, at least there are SEVERAL examples shared here to point >>>>>> out that degrees or certs don't guarantee competence. Anyone >>>>>> who's done IT for more than a few years can provide additional >>>>>> examples, probably good AND bad. (with or without degrees or certs). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your posts suggest that you think a degreed person is LESS likely >>>>>> to have competence.. sorry, that just sounds like sour grapes to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:49 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That isn't my observation. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2012, Maglinger, Paul >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> A college degree (usually) indicates that someone has obtained >>>>>>> certain literary, communication, and fact-finding skills that are >>>>>>> useful in the workplace. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:02 AM >>>>>> >>>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Going to college opens doors. And it almost doesn't even matter >>>>>>> what the degree is in. I think it's like a secret handshake. It >>>>>>> says "I can navigate a byzantine bureaucracy and complete a >>>>>>> series of tasks without close supervision." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I might be wrong, but I think it's always there in the subconscious. >>>>>>> I had doors open for me that were previously shut by completing a >>>>>>> degree (my degree is not in IT, but in accountancy). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM, David Lum <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "This position requires a degree. Sorry. Click." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can >>>>>>> only guess the person making that statement doesn't fully >>>>>>> understand the tech industry? >>>>>>> Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand >>>>>>> that thinking. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of >>>>>>> saying "we changed our minds on our needs" or "we hired from >>>>>>> inside". I've heard of that kind of thing before - where what the >>>>>>> person not getting hired wasn't told what was really happening. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Webster [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM >>>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect >>>>>>> position for a very large company in Nashville. IIRC, it was >>>>>>> like interview #6 or 7 in the process. I had been talking with >>>>>>> the executive for over 45 minutes when "all of a sudden" he says >>>>>>> "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. This >>>>>>> position requires a degree. Sorry. Click." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I then took MBS' advice and went solo. I say screw FTE! :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carl Webster >>>>>>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional >>>>>>> http://www.CarlWebster.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: MMF [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM >>>>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not >>>>>>>> very strong in background checking. How could they have missed >>>>>>>> the fact that you've been with one company for more than 10 >>>>>>>> years. I've NEVER ever heard of a company offering a job and >>>>>>>> then withdrawing the offer, period, much less before total >>>>>>>> background check. I believe that I can fully understand the idea >>>>>>>> of wanting IT staff that has a varied background which would >>>>>>>> include more than one job over a decade. I think you are >>>>>>>> fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds to me >>>>>>>> that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch >>>>>>>> my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your >>>>>>>> best efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet >>>>>>>> them! It's also obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see >>>>>>>> it! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Murray >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: James Hill >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM >>>>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I feel for you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But try and look at this way. 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