There’s always noobies that don’t know the social rules of the list, but then there are leeches ( I don’t need to name names because they’re self obvious ) that keep coming back to the list without any evidence of having done any of the groundwork themselves… some come back over and over and over, always claiming lack of time, or lack of funds, but we all know what they’re lacking … and they are NOT peers to engage in peer level discussions. Some get offended by ‘unprofessional’ harsh language when others are called out, but unless the harsh language is directed at me, I don’t take it personally, nor should others on the list. But I cannot tell you how to react, that’s your own responsibility. And as infrequently as such ‘harsh’ language is used here, well, it is not the rule but the exception.
Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, & Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows File Archive Astounded eh? If one of my peers at $Work were to come up and ask me something they should be able to sort out themselves my likely response is just to look at them waiting for the obvious to occur to them as well. I'm fortunate that my peers are like me in that they take pride in their profession and do all they can on their own. It's true no one knows it all, but it's equally important to show you've tried what you did know and make an effort to resolve it on their own. I extend that courtesy to others also. Oft times I just have to look at my peers and they either acknowledge they are being lazy, or they realize their gaffe. Calling a dullard a dullard is perfectly acceptable to me...if they are indeed being dull. Being lazy and not even making an effort, expecting someone who has already made the effort to just hand it off to you without even providing the basics of information is frustrating to say the least, and personally I find it insulting. My time has a value, and someone not willing to expend some effort and their own personal time, well that just isn't copacetic. But hey, if you want to be the hall monitor here Ken, have at it. Just understand your opinion is just that, yours. What I sense here however is you are just being sensitive about the words Gary chose, and not the salient points made. It's that kind of sensitivity, in my opinion, that has led us to the larger point, and what I appreciated from the joeware blog, that people are starting to feel entitled to just ask any form of question and have others do the work for free. But hey, WTF do I know, right? - WJR On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 23:52, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: I’m astounded that you think personal name-calling is an acceptable way to behave. Do you treat peers and customers the same way when they ask you questions that you think are incomplete or naïve? Cheers Ken From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012 11:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows File Archive "Acceptable" is a relative term. Knowing Gary as well as I do I can assure you it was acceptable to him. Knowing others here as well I can safely say it's acceptable to them as well. Honestly Gary's response is pretty spot on, the function of a professional list typically is for peers of an expected experience level, and part of that expectation is to do some of your own work as this is not a place for "could you please do my thinking for me?" The correlation to "Carpet Boy" is apropos as a good known reference point for repeated offenses of this type of generally agreed upon unacceptable behavior. That said, given my record here, I expect to be summarily ignored. - WJR On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 00:53, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: Calling someone as “asshole” is acceptable, simply because they asked an incomplete question? Or asking if they are related to “carpet boy”? That’s ad hominem, unnecessary and unprofessional. Whilst we might have disagreements, let’s keep the conversation civil, and talking about the topic and not the man/woman. Cheers Ken From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows File Archive On the otherhand, a bitch-slap can be a healthy and needed aspect of Apprenticeship. It makes people think - about thinking for themselves and to make greater considerations of the details involved with whatever their question may be - before they ask an incomplete question, or try to move forward with an incomplete thought again. This list, while very friendly, has been more tolerating than recently than in the past of such things. Not necessarily a bad thing, but also something notably annoying to many more experienced professionals. And there is the rub; this is a bitch-slap, not an act of unprofessional - because this is not a professional forum. This forum is highly social, and a bitch-slap is a social adjustment. -- Espi On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]> wrote: While I may not employ Gary's colorful vocabulary, I agree with his basic sentiment. I would think a solution would include such a capability. If you are rolling your own then I suggest testing as I have had false positives with robocopy. On Thursday, March 8, 2012, Cesare' A. Ramos <[email protected]> wrote: > Some of you on this list need to get out more or understand what the purpose of a professional exchange is, as it is my understanding these lists are for. At times we all need to bounce things off each other, as no one person has all the answers. > > > > In addition, questions are simple at times there is no need for high level of complexity to impress anyone. > > > > Thanks for the help Michael and Joseph, clearly you guys read the subject on the e-mail. > > > > CAR > > > > From: Gary Slinger [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:40 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Windows File Archive > > > > The problem with you damn do-gooders trying to answer his question is: > > * he hasn't stated what system he's working on, > * or copying to, > * or what he's tried, > * or what he's considered. > > Is robocopy a windows only solution? (All I know it as, and I'm not interested enough to look it up). Suppose he's on unix, linux, or mac? (I understand some people use those?). Or even some old fashioned big iron or something in-between like an AS/400 (yes, I know what they're called now)... > > I realize it's not likely, given the third-grade nature of his question. But after all, he does work for a company billing itself as 'Your Technology Solutions Provider'. > > So be careful, folks, he's a 'professional'. > > Shit, for all I can tell from the original post, he's trying to copy PDF's from his SAN to his iPhone or something. Via his Outlook Server or Linux Email or something. > > Actually, I apologize. Carpet boy was probably smarter. And yes, I realize how dumb that sounds. > > FFS. > > ________________________________ > > From: "Joseph L. Casale" <[email protected]> > > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 02:18:39 +0000 > > To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: Windows File Archive > > > > Robocopy with /MINAGE switch. > > You can exclude any files newer than your limit. > > ________________________________ > > From: Cesare' A. Ramos [[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:09 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Windows File Archive > > Hellos all. > > > > Looking for a utility to scan a storage server and copy off files that have not been accessed in the past 180 days to an external archive solution. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > CAR ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
