That's what we do for our customers here. We scan with Nessus, but provide a 
shortlist of the real dangerous low hanging fruit and we poke around a bit, and 
do a conference call where we show them what the problem is.
Warm regards,
Stu

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 8:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant 
continues

Thanks, I am glad I am not the only one.

Now if someone followed the Penetration test Execution Standard, and did a real 
Pen test and validated the business risks, then I would be impressed, so back 
to chewing through this Qualys scan and making heads or tails of what needs to 
be fixed and what isn't a big risk.

Z

Edward Ziots
CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

From: Alan Davies [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 8:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant 
continues

You pays for what you gets ... even reports of actions that go beyond VA into 
PT still aren't a proper PT engagement if they're not in a meaningful report, 
written in English!

Having said that, sometimes you just want to know if something can be broken 
and do the rest yourself.  Rarely though .. I have 1better things to do with my 
time than translating someone else's results into an Exec Summary and business 
context specific findings

Rant welcome :o)


a

________________________________
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 05 March 2012 13:12
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Vulnerability scanning, and calling it a Pen test the rant continues
Not sure if anyone on the list is responsible for Vul Scanning in their 
organizations/business or Pen testing there systems, but it still blows my mind 
that we have folks out there providing services to organizations and business 
calling the output from a Qualys or Nessus vulnerability scanner a Pen-test.  I 
am current been going through someone else work for about 1.5 weeks validating 
the scanners findings on the systems, so I can get working on slimming down a 
225 page report to something that is realistic and achievable.

Sorry about the rant, it isn't how I wanted to start my Monday morning.

Z

Edward Ziots
CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

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