do the potty mouth thing and you will get a rise out of someone ...

maybe by tomorrow when they get the email....LOL

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [dkim-failure] Re: List Speed?

In the absence of updates and information rumors and dark thoughts grow...
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Paul Hutchings 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Cynical as I am I wouldn't attribute to malice what can be attributed to poor 
software or a configuration problem :)
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From: Jonathan Link [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: 14 March 2012 2:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: List Speed?
I'd rather have fast list response and associated griping than the current 
situation.

My cynical mind?  GFI doesn't want to maintain the lists, or at least not do it 
for free.  Sunbelt built a lot of goodwill by hosting the list and getting free 
advertising out of it.  Since GFI has taken over, I see very little marketing 
to the lists, so I can't help but wonder if the lists are just being squeeze 
out.  That's me.  I'm a cynical guy.

Note, it's not unreasonable for GFI to not want to continue hosting the list.  
They don't owe us anything.  However, the reverse is true.  And a lot of 
goodwill will end up getting trashed if the list response time isn't fixed, and 
it continues to hobble along like this for a while.  I'm saying, in response to 
Richard's post, that I am willing to pay a little money for continued access to 
this community.  I don't mind the OT posts, and a moderator can always step in 
and say, cool it, whether it is "free" or subscriber sponsored
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Maglinger, Paul 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts.  (I'm 
paying good money for this?!?!)

-Paul

From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: List Speed?

I'd be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I've gained 
participating in this list far outweighs any other source I've been exposed to, 
ever.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: List Speed?

I'd pay.  Even annually.  The utility of this list is approaching nil.  Yeah, I 
go off-topic, I admit it.  Find a frequent contributor who doesn't...

Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same 
item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
<$.02>

It's a disaster anymore.  Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any 
other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours.  Why 
this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me.

I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for 
them.  And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very 
effectively anymore.

My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.*  I think a lot of people 
would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this 
time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere 
else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known 
to all the members.

* Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of 
upgrading friggin' Lyris?  Yes.  Yes I would.

</$.02>

2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Did we ever get anywhere with list speed?

A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any 
out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox).

I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris "upgrade", but I 
don't remember seeing anything beyond that?

Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about 
posting as I find myself thinking "It'll take an hour to appear, someone will 
have already responded by then".
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