Also, what is awesome is that the text is originally from Cicero where he discusses how no one really wants pain or grief for the sake of pain or grief.

Bill


Cynicalgeek wrote:
You guys and gals are awesome.

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Cras faucibus condimentum odio. Sed ac ligula. Aliquam at eros. Etiam at ligula et tellus ullamcorper ultrices. In fermentum, lorem non cursus porttitor, diam urna accumsan lacus, sed interdum wisi nibh nec nisl. Ut tincidunt volutpat urna. Mauris eleifend nulla eget mauris. Sed cursus quam id felis. Curabitur posuere quam vel nibh. Cras dapibus dapibus nisl. Vestibulum quis dolor a felis congue vehicula. Maecenas pede purus, tristique ac, tempus eget, egestas quis, mauris. Curabitur non eros. Nullam hendrerit bibendum justo. Fusce iaculis, est quis lacinia pretium, pede metus molestie lacus, at gravida wisi ante at libero. Quisque ornare placerat risus. Ut molestie magna at mi. Integer aliquet mauris et nibh. Ut mattis ligula posuere velit. Nunc sagittis. Curabitur varius fringilla nisl. Duis pretium mi euismod erat. Maecenas id augue. Nam vulputate. Duis a quam non neque lobortis malesuada. Praesent euismod. Donec nulla augue, venenatis scelerisque, dapibus a, consequat at, leo. Pellentesque libero lectus, tristique ac, consectetuer sit amet, imperdiet ut, justo. Sed aliquam odio vitae tortor. Proin hendrerit tempus arcu. In hac habitasse platea dictumst. Suspendisse potenti. Vivamus vitae massa adipiscing est lacinia sodales. Donec metus massa, mollis vel, tempus placerat, vestibulum condimentum, ligula. Nunc lacus metus, posuere eget, lacinia eu, varius quis, libero. Aliquam nonummy adipiscing augue. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Maecenas porttitor congue massa. Fusce posuere, magna sed pulvinar ultricies, purus lectus malesuada libero, sit amet commodo magna eros quis urna. Nunc viverra imperdiet enim. Fusce est. Vivamus a tellus. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Proin pharetra nonummy pede. Mauris et orci. Aenean nec lorem. In porttitor. Donec laoreet nonummy augue. Suspendisse dui purus, scelerisque at, vulputate vitae, pretium mattis, nunc. Mauris eget neque at sem venenatis eleifend."

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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Please do NOT remove your sig.
    Unless you replace it with an even better sig, of course. :-)

    On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, James Rankin
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        I think your moniker is well-deserved - "masters" of the list
        is very cynical. I don't see it that way. And if anyone from
        this list saw fit to speak to my employer or attack me
        personally via telephone or snail mail, I'd see fit to go over
        to knock on their door and have it out with them. I come from
        a pretty grassroots place so if someone's out of order we tend
        to see nothing wrong with getting down on the cobbles, if
        necessary, and sorting it out. Each to their own. I don't
        think anyone here would do that, though. Maybe I'm "naive
        geek", but I'm not worrying about it.

        IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers.

        Signature will soon be gone.

        Cheers,



        JR


        On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to
            ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's
            including in replies by other people just doesn't make any
            sense to me.  But....whatever.

            You know I've considered using my real name on here
            several times.  However, after seeing how a lot of the
            "masters" of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll
            never do it.  The "masters" find enjoyment in berating and
            personally attacking readers of the list.  I wouldn't put
            it past some or the "masters" to actually look somebody up
            and either A) call a list member's employer to complain,
            or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the
            phone, via snail mail, etc.

            This list is still useful but there is a lot of
            unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with
            my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name.


            On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
            wrote:

                It's pretty easy to ignore a signature.  It's also
                funny, so I tend to give it a pass.  I've seen worse
                signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty
                objectionable.  The list members have come down hard
                on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their
                signature.  Is Mr Rankin's long?  Yeah, but it's text
                and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either.
Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy
                of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature,  why is it
                unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real
                name?  Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate.
Community is built when people "know" who their peers are.
                On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                wrote:

                    #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use
                    my real first and last name.

                    #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should
                    munge the long signature, I should have said that
                    list owners should gently ask users not to use
                    signatures that are incredibly long and useless.

                    #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions
                    that would help the community of this
                    list...solutions that would cost members of the
                    list NOTHING and improve the service of the list.


                    On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely
                    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        1 demerit for you sir!


                        On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris
                        <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                            Now someone is either dreaming or you have
                            had way too many beers tonight sir.
Jon

                            On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely
                            <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                And while were at it, posts will only
                                accepted by the listserv provided they
                                contain the appropriate amount of
                                research has been completed with
                                references included!


                                On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary
                                Slinger <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                    Equally, if it purged everyone
                                    that doesn't post with a cleartext
                                    real-world name, that would be a
                                    good thing also.

                                    ------Original Message------
                                    From: [email protected]
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                                    To: NT System Admin Issues
                                    ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
                                    Subject: Re: list delays
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                                    Personally I think if the LISTSERV
                                    would munge James Rankins' email
                                    signature on demand we would all
                                    be better off. ;)

                                    Sent from my iPhone

                                    On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill
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                                    > wow.  4 hour delays on postings.
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