Why should people have to "figure it out"?

Shutdown, Restart, Logoff, Sleep, Standby, Hibernate were all in one place 
before, and it worked for all the hundreds of millions of people using Windows. 
Why change it?

-----Original Message-----
From: James Hill [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 9:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Are you saying it will be difficult for the admins to use or difficult for the 
admins as users won't be able to work it out?

The admins should be able to quickly work it out and after that it is easy.

Users have always(since remote desktop was invented) either not known how to 
log off or couldn't be bothered.   They just click on the X and disconnect (so 
us admins have to configure session timeouts etc to eventually log off the 
session).  So no changes in that area for Server 2012 for the users imo.

James.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 7:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'log out' 'button' being hidden the way it is 
in Windows 8 and Server 2012 will be a nightmare for terminal server admins.

Ugh.

Phil

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-----Original Message-----
From: James Hill [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 21 November 2012 08:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

The location of log off and the shutdown menu are both a nuisance.

I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old that were placed in front of Windows 8 and 
were installing apps from the store, playing games etc without any tuition.  I 
showed them how to do a shutdown and that was about it.

James.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

We won't be deploying it this school year, that's for sure. It's just too late 
and we would get a lot of negative feedback. Also we tend to hold off on such 
deployments until the product has a little shake-down time and we get a break 
to do upgrades.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to 8 on the desktop in a lab environment. 
One nitpick of my own: It's very difficult to log off, which is something every 
7-18 year old in our schools will have to do. While some know that you can 
quickly find a logout with Ctrl-Alt-Del, most don't. Last, most of the software 
run by our users aren't in the DCIM* interface. So really, there isn't a 
feature that is yet pushing us to Win8 yet.

I have seen start-button replacements, like Start8, but we like to go with the 
Officially supported versions of things if we can. Thus, if Microsoft makes it 
an option to stick people to the Desktop and give them a way to launch 
programs/logoff, I'll give it another try.



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