I agree, 

A lot of times the road to more secure systems is blocked by the
business not understanding the security needs that need to be baked in
throughout the IT systems implementation. ( System Development Life
Cycle, anyone!!)

As we all know business usually want functionality first and think of
security as an afterthought, until, the security researchers, the bad
guys ( Hackers/Phreakers/Wackers/Crackers/other malformed deviants)
basically find the flaws in the code, and write the exploits, which
become the next big exploit, and someone find there pants around there
ankles. Then the business turns around and says, " Why wasn't we secure"
hopefully you keep those emails, showing them you told them about the
flaws, and they chose not to put the pressure on the
vendor/developer/coder to fix the problem before its exploited. 

People usually get lulled into a false sense of security when they keep
adding layer after layer of security products to there network, hoping
that the risk mitigation they think they are putting in by using layers
on top of layers of HIDS/IPS/etc etc are going to save them. It only
takes one mischevious admin or one backdoor to bypass your controls, and
exploit the weaknesses on the system. 

EZ

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Maiffret [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Anyone have experience with Computrace?

No problem, it is definitely a two way street for me. I have been on
this list for over 10 years since I was 17 starting eEye and this list
and all of you have been of invaluable help to educate me on where IT is
going so I can think about what that means for security. As I have said
in the past security is a reaction to how people do business, and you
here are the implementers of those business changes. So for that I say
thank you also. 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with Computrace?

Thanks Marc, I'm sure everyone here appreciates your insight, I for one
am glad you have the time to help bring the big picture in focus for us.
Painstakingly sent to you from my Blackberry.


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