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On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On the graphics part, I disagree. Vista is good looking. Mac OS is
> gorgeous.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:59 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
> Hah. I blogged on this just yesterday:
>
>
> http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2008/05/09/just-fluff-
> on-vista.aspx
>
> And  no, I didn't read Cringely... I think it was something Paul Thurrott
> wrote that was the "straw/camel's back" for me. I dunno, I read too many
> things every day.
>
> Granted, I'm not the average user. Not even the average power user. I've
> got
> physical machines that run XP, that run Vista, that run Server 2008, that
> run Server 2003 - and believe it or not, one that runs Linux. And probably
> twice as many virtuals as I've got physicals.
>
> The market can't have it every way. Since XP was released, Microsoft has
> been absolutely PUMMELLED by spam, by viruses, by worms, by lack of
> hardware
> capabilities, by lack of software capabilities, etc. etc. etc. Microsoft
> responded to what the market demanded, and Vista is the answer.
>
> Graphically, Vista is gorgeous - if you have the graphics horsepower to
> make
> it happen. Vista provides software support for technologies that weren't
> even conceived of when XP was released. The hardware support that Vista
> provides makes it MUCH easier for the OS to NOT crash when there are driver
> bugs. Or bugs in any add-on product. And on and on and on.
>
> All of those things come at a cost - in memory and in processor.
>
> If you want a minimal version of Vista - go install Server 2008. See how
> lean and mean it is. And how little it can do in the base configuration.
> Then, start adding the features and roles you require in order to get to a
> workable desktop machine, and see how those changes impact performance. In
> some ways, a desktop machine has to be more powerful than a server. It
> certainly has to have more "fluff".
>
> I'm not a Microsoft "rah rah" man. However, I'm well aware of where I make
> my money - and that's based on Microsoft products. I criticize the
> Microsoft
> machine on a daily basis - and I do it in public forums, such as this one,
> on my blog; and I do it in private forums, for betas (and even alphas) of
> certain software that I take a particular interest in.
>
> Vista _IS_ sucky in some ways. And I've bugged those that affect me. For
> example, even after SP1, wireless doesn't "just work" like it did in XP.
> Many users have to reboot when switching wireless connections. For me, I'm
> tech savvy enough to open a command prompt and do an "ipconfig /renew".
> It's
> irritating.
>
> But does that mean that Vista is going away? Don't be silly. Even if you
> hate Vista, it introduces many technologies that are part of the future of
> computing. You need to learn it. It's the stepping stone to what comes
> next.
>
> Microsoft isn't abandoning Vista. They've made that clear too. Many people
> have taken the fact that there is so much talk about Windows 7 already to
> mean that Microsoft is abandoning Vista. The only reason that they can make
> THAT claim is because they choose to ignore that Microsoft has also stated
> that "never again" will there be 5+ years between operating system
> releases.
> It was simply too long, and Microsoft heard that message too.
>
> You don't have to get with the program. But you should. Time marches on.
> And
> so does software - and hardware - and Microsoft.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> MCSE/Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
> MS's earnings were disappointing? Welcome to 2008. They can stand in line
> with the other 80% of companies with the same problems.
>
> As for support, XP has been around since 2001 and mainstream support goes
> until Apr. 2009.
> That's a damn long life cycle for any software maker. This is the same
> whining that went on with Windows 98 and Windows 2000. I don't remember the
> world ending in either case. Think about what other software was released
> in
> 2001 and if it's still support. I wonder if Adobe still supports Photoshop
> 6.0? I'll bet Apple still supports OSX 10.0.0, but Apple seems to be living
> the rock star life these days.
>
> Now Ill also say I'm still a HUGE XP fan. I use XP at home on all my
> machines. My work machine is Vista and while I don't really dislike it, it
> really doesn't do much for me either. But eventually the time will come to
> upgrade, and I'm sure my world won't end either. The "Vista sucks" thing
> has
> certainly taken on a life of its own. I would venture to guess that a very
> large percentage of the people who say it sucks have never tried it.
> It doesn't totally suck, it's just....slightly sucky. Frankly if they could
> just get it to perform better, it would be great.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Why XP is doomed
>
> Interesting analysis from Cringely.  As always, "follow the money" ...
>
> ------- Included Stuff Follows -------
> I, Cringely . The Pulpit . Wimpy | PBS
>
>    ...
>
>    Several readers are concerned about Microsoft's decision to stop selling
>
>    Windows XP and -- most importantly -- end security updates for the
>    venerable operating system. This has everything to do with business and
>    nothing at all to do with technology. Wearing my business reporter's
>    fedora, then, I'll point you back a week or so to Microsoft's most
> recent
>    earnings announcement, which disappointed Wall Street. This is
> significant
>    because it is hard to find a Wall Street analyst who remembers the last
>    time Microsoft's earnings were disappointing. It simply doesn't happen.
>    That's because Microsoft has a myriad of tools for adjusting the numbers
>
>    to look just right.
>
>    Because Microsoft has so many tools for fine-tuning its financials
>    (primarily the management of expenses, by the way -- Microsoft makes so
>    much money that it tunes the numbers by throwing cash away), the fact
> that
>    this last set of numbers disappointed suggests to me that they, too,
> could
>    have been avoided. Microsoft probably decided to deliberately take an
>    earnings hit precisely so they could play the "we have to get the
> earnings
>    up" card to justify the final death of XP.
>
>    Microsoft has been under huge pressure from its hardware OEMs to dump
> XP,
>    thus forcing millions of customers who have been avoiding Vista and
>    Vista's inevitable hardware upgrade to finally buy new computers.
> Dumping
>    XP will help Dell and HP AND Microsoft, big-time. It won't do anything
> for
>    you or me, though, since Vista still sucks, but we obviously don't
> matter.
>
>    Those customers who think they'll keep XP going on their own will
> probably
>    be out of luck, too. With Microsoft abandoning security upgrades,
> hackers
>    will eat holes in the old OS practically overnight. And if one or more
> of
>    the security companies like Symantec or McAfee think they can make a
>    business out of defending XP, I simply doubt that customers will pay.
>
> --------- Included Stuff Ends ---------
> Other topics also discussed in his column here:
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20080509_004880.html
>
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