But he has a point. We're constantly forced to buy bigger better PC's in the workplace when a significant number of the workforce is either doing basic Office apps or some kind of app departmental or enterprise app like accounting. Many companies can get away with using a thin client, so a more powerful (and bloated) desktop OS isn't exactly important.
>>> Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/13/2008 8:13 AM >>> As far as security…NO security is all encompassing you can’t secure servers and not care about the clients connecting to the servers. John has gone into detail in earlier posts regarding the specifics of what has been improved with Vista in the security arena. If you are going to disregard all positive things said about Vista because it sounds like Microsoft Marketing then there really is no point trying to have a rational conversation with you regarding the good and the bad. You are only interested in the bad. Closed minds make for frustrating discussion. TVK From:Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed No offense, but your post sounds like it was written bya MS Marketing Wiz. Increased Security is a good thing. But define "increased security". Since all our info is retained on servers, isn't that where I should be concerned about security? Improved ease of management is another good thing, but I'm not sure that Vista will improve management of my servers. Oh, and I'm not clear just how Vista will improve the ease of workstation management. Sleep/Hibernate isn't an issue here, but that's not to say it might not be an issue some day, I just don't see it. If Vista is more reliable than XP, that's a good thing, but we're not having a reliablity issue with our workstations or servers for that fact. Finally, SPEED, now that's a hot button for me. But what got me to respond the first time to this thread was the fact that one individual had a faster laptop, but Vista wasn't running any faster than XP on an older slower laptop. So, is there really an increase in speed? Murray From:John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed If your organization doesn’t need things like increased security, improved ease of management, and better performance with offline files and folders, then no—Vista probably wouldn’t be of use to you. Ditto for improved sleep/hibernate and increased speed through ReadyBoost and SuperFetch. For my organization, these new features bring benefits over XP. In fact, most organizations benefit from improved speed, security, and reliability. But if yours doesn’t, that’s okay. John From:Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed Now let me understand this. I should spend the money to acquire a new FASTER computer so that I can run Vista which runs at the very SAME speed that an older slower computer did running XP, but Vista really has little if any to offer in the way of benefits. Now I get it!!!!! I'm loving this thread, because so far I don't hear any good reasons to upgrade to Vista. I've been in IT for nearly 44 years. During that time I've seen a lot of changes, and in most cases more productivity for smaller amounts of financial investment. But I just have a real problem with spending MORE to get virtually nothing for my investment......other than I can tell people that I have VISTA!!! I want to thank everyone for reaffirming the decision I had already made for my organization. Murray From:Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista works as fast as my previous XP Machine which was a 1.8GHX Centrino Duo and 2GB RAM. So your Pentium D 3 Ghz should be fine and dandy with or without the 4gb obviously 4gb would be better but then that goes for xp too. Graeme On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/12/2008 03:53:29 PM: > Well, it's moot that a crappy system being sold by a vendor is good > enough to run XP. It's also good enough to run Windows for > Workgroups and DOS—but that's not the point. > > Yes, Vista has higher hardware requirements. Just like XP has higher > requirements than Win9x had, and just like Win9x had higher > requirements than Win3x had. Every OS that comes out is likely to > have higher requirements than the OS before it. > > But honestly, Vista's hardware requirements aren't crazy high. As I > mentioned before, I'm running it at home on a Pentium D processor— > which is a very modest CPU by today's standards. Vista works just > fine with it. The biggest issue with the hardware vendors, as seen > in the ZDNet piece, is the crapware installed at the factory. The > author of the article got the Sony laptop working perfectly with > Vista without changing the hardware at all. Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped the RAM to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC for photoediting (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my case is converting PAL to NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, using Nero 7). Feel free to reply offlist .... > > > > John Hornbuckle > MIS Department > Taylor County School District > 318 North Clark Street > Perry, FL 32347 > > www.taylor.k12.fl.us > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:35 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed > > > Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 03:58:17 AM: > > > If a vendor sells an underpowered machine, then perhaps the vendor > > should take some blame. > > I believe the point is that the hardware is not underpowered for Xp, > but is underpowered for Vista. Especially if the vendor isn't (or > can't ... ) offer XP on that hardware. > > > > > > -- Carbon credits are a bit like beating someone up on this side of the world and sponsoring one of those poor starving kids on the other side of the world to make up for the fact that you're a complete shit at home. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~
