Doesn't 802.1x use EAP? If so then EAP-TLS is just one way of authenticating 
the client...

Cheers
Ken

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2008 7:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: WiFi setup
>
> How would you use Radius/802.1x technology without certificates?
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 5:09 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: WiFi setup
>
> If you are forced to WPA/WPA2 use a Max length pass phrase with
> randomized Upper lower, Numbers, Special Characters (you know the
> drill). It might take the sting out of the crackers.... Anything with
> pre-shared keys is crackable given enough time and processor power. I
> don't think 802.1x with Radius is susceptible, provided you are using
> certificates.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Maiffret [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: WiFi setup
>
> You shouldn't have any problems then. It is more of a track record on
> WEP/WPA and related that is to worry about, but you can always handle
> that when the time comes. Currently the only WPA2 that can be cracked is
> that which uses pre-shared keys.
>
> Marc Maiffret
> Founder/CEO
> Invenio Security
> Security Services & Training
> http://www.inveniosecurity.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:35 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: WiFi setup
> >
> > We have cisco 440r controllers and a acs appliance.  We use WPA2 with
> > 8021.X for authentication against our active directory..
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Carl Houseman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: 6/30/08 3:17 PM
> > Subject: RE: WiFi setup
> >
> > I wouldn't worry about separate IPSEC if your Wi-Fi hardware supports
> > WPA2 and uses a 802.1x (Radius server) for client authentication.
> >
> > In fact, if you go for 802.11n, you're required to use WPA2 to get the
> > "n" throughput boost.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:56 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: WiFi setup
> >
> > Do you have any good reference sites or docs on how to design and
> > engineer this?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Marc Maiffret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: 6/30/08 1:54 PM
> > Subject: RE: WiFi setup
> >
> > Do not forget to use IPSEC or related to secure access between WiFi
> > systems
> > and your main network. Almost all of the built-in WiFi protection
> > mechanisms
> > such as MAC filtering, WEP, disabling broadcast, etc are all prone to
> > attacks.
> >
> > Marc Maiffret
> > Founder/CEO
> > Invenio Security
> > Security Services & Training
> > http://www.inveniosecurity.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 6:51 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: WiFi setup
> > >
> > > I get to build a whole new datacenter for the Credit Union.
> > > Yeah.
> > > I am pretty good on everything with the exception that the new
> > > datacenter will have to have WiFi built in
> > > I am looking at 802.11g for now but I thought n was coming out.
> > > Does anyone have any comments on how to WiFi a 4000sqft building
> with
> > 3
> > > floors?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Data Security is everyone's responsibility.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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