And Oregon probably pays the highest.
From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection As far as I know Florida pays the lowest of any state/territory/possession. Jon On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Poor bastard. There are Oregon State Retires making 125% of their ending salary.PERS is a truly screwed up system. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Lucky you at 30 years Florida only pays 48% of your average best 3 years as retirement with a guarantee of a 3% pay increase each year. I have less than 2 years for retirement and just hope I can hold out that long. This will be the second year in a row with no pay increase for us. Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Joe Heaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just got into the govt job last October. I'm at an age now where job hopping is not a very good option. I've got just over 20 years to retirement age, and if I stay in govt, I'll get a retirement check for the rest of my life, of more than half of whatever salary I'm getting at the point of retirement. That may not sound like much, but to me, at my age, it's really something to keep in mind. Joe Heaton _____ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Wows that is a seriously wacked situation, I wish you the best of luck with that. And maybe its time to head to a new vertical, because it looks like Govt Jobs arent where its at out there. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 _____ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Just had a union workplace meeting today at lunch, with our union's bargaining team. One of them said that on the way back to the office yesterday after a rally at the capitol, she passed a homeless guy on the street. He stopped her, asking if she was a state worker. She says yes, and he says "I feel sorry for you.you guys'll never make it on $6.55/hour. I make more than that begging on the street." Really makes you think. I'm not too worried right now, but let's see what's going on in a couple of weeks. Once the budget is passed, we're supposed to get the rest of our pay, retroactively, so in reality we're not really losing anything, except possible credit ratings, getting behind on car payments/mortgage, etc. The credit unions in the area have also come out saying that if this does happen, they will issue low-to-no interest loans, making up the difference in our paychecks, which could save a lot of people. Joe Heaton _____ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I see your point, Arnie is a weird one anyways J Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 _____ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Exactly. It's all a political ploy, but our unions are massively up in arms at the moment. He was supposed to sign the Executive Order this morning, but has delayed that until Thursday. Once he signs it, pretty much every union in the state will file injunctions against it in court. The State Controller has also come out publicly disagreeing with Arnie about how much cash the state has (which is supposedly the reason behind this. Arnie thinks the state will run out of cash around mid-September, and the Controller says we're good through the end of September), and the Controller has already stated that he will ignore the order and pay us anyway. It's just a scare tactic, to get the public angry so that we get on the legislature to pass the darn budget. It's only a month and a half late as it is. Joe Heaton _____ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 _____ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Well, seems that our support with Symantec isn't up until December, so I don't think I'm going to be able to push anything else until around then. We don't have any money until the stupid legislature passes the budget anyway. The Governator is even reducing all state workers' salaries to Federal minimum wage until the budget is passed, effective August 1. That means that I'll be making a whopping $6.55/hour. Isn't that lovely? Joe Heaton _____ From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu _____ From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection "But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way." You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are "protected" by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking for is to have something different on the Exchange server to provide dual levels of protection. Something like GFI Mail Security, Microsoft Forefront or the list host's product. Something using multiple definition files that are not the same as what you are using now. The idea being that if one doesn't catch, the other will. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk <http://www.amset.co.uk/> w: www.amset.info <http://www.amset.info/> Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ _____ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 21:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes sooooo long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton _____ From: Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 19:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM . No virus found in this incoming message. 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